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	<title>Comments on: Dick Alford on Opportunities Lost by the Fed</title>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/10/dick-alford-on-opportunities-lost-by-the-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-227021</link>
		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@willid3

I could not agree more than with your assessments.  

Economies can be distorted for years, even decades we have found out, by artificial political manipulations and financial market distortions.  Eventually however it must fall back onto its fundamental strengths or weaknesses,  Equilibrium must eventually be restored.  

These fundamentals are 1) human capital, 2) financial capital, 3) natural resources, 4) business/regulatory environment &amp; institutions, 5) infrastructure efficiency and 6) accumulated wealth:  financial, intellectual and propriety.

We should be asking ourselves how healthy are the fundamentals of our economy?  We are in a global environment where all of our weaknesses will ultimately be exposed.</description>
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<p>I could not agree more than with your assessments.  </p>
<p>Economies can be distorted for years, even decades we have found out, by artificial political manipulations and financial market distortions.  Eventually however it must fall back onto its fundamental strengths or weaknesses,  Equilibrium must eventually be restored.  </p>
<p>These fundamentals are 1) human capital, 2) financial capital, 3) natural resources, 4) business/regulatory environment &amp; institutions, 5) infrastructure efficiency and 6) accumulated wealth:  financial, intellectual and propriety.</p>
<p>We should be asking ourselves how healthy are the fundamentals of our economy?  We are in a global environment where all of our weaknesses will ultimately be exposed.</p>
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		<title>By: willid3</title>
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		<dc:creator>willid3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 15:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and we can&#039;t ignore that in a the new world of globalization, what we do in our country isn&#039;t as powerful as it used to be. we have allowed the diminished returns on education, and we have reduced the middle class in the process. but the top 1% have done really well.  we have reduced the ability to save by using equities in place of other investments because wall street needed the fees from equity sales.   we reduced the savings rate because wall street needed the fees from origination of loans. we reduced the incomes of the lower 90% so they would need loans so that wall street could get their fees from loans.  banks reduced the interest paid on savings because they needed the fees. and to keep the appearance of a good economy we pumped up demand using loans that wall street needed for fees. but now all of that is dust. the consumer isn&#039;t coming back. and they can see their incomes as they really are. without the leverage of loans. but wall street is still trying t0 relaunch the old economy. it just won&#039;t work. consumers have relearned the lessons from the GD. and we are now going to do that great equalization of the world living standards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and we can&#8217;t ignore that in a the new world of globalization, what we do in our country isn&#8217;t as powerful as it used to be. we have allowed the diminished returns on education, and we have reduced the middle class in the process. but the top 1% have done really well.  we have reduced the ability to save by using equities in place of other investments because wall street needed the fees from equity sales.   we reduced the savings rate because wall street needed the fees from origination of loans. we reduced the incomes of the lower 90% so they would need loans so that wall street could get their fees from loans.  banks reduced the interest paid on savings because they needed the fees. and to keep the appearance of a good economy we pumped up demand using loans that wall street needed for fees. but now all of that is dust. the consumer isn&#8217;t coming back. and they can see their incomes as they really are. without the leverage of loans. but wall street is still trying t0 relaunch the old economy. it just won&#8217;t work. consumers have relearned the lessons from the GD. and we are now going to do that great equalization of the world living standards</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/10/dick-alford-on-opportunities-lost-by-the-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-227009</link>
		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Winston Munn:

Agreed. It created the perception that risk was lowered while leverage was increased.</description>
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<p>Agreed. It created the perception that risk was lowered while leverage was increased.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Munn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston Munn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 14:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bsneath wrote,

&quot;I suggest the damage was caused by policies giving banks unbridled leveraging ability using both on and off balance sheet mechanisms.&quot;

We cannot forget the role played by bundling securities and selling the bundles to move loans off the ledgers of the banks, in essence bypassing the restrictions on credit creation inherent in the capital demands of fractional reserve banking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bsneath wrote,</p>
<p>&#8220;I suggest the damage was caused by policies giving banks unbridled leveraging ability using both on and off balance sheet mechanisms.&#8221;</p>
<p>We cannot forget the role played by bundling securities and selling the bundles to move loans off the ledgers of the banks, in essence bypassing the restrictions on credit creation inherent in the capital demands of fractional reserve banking.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston Munn</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/10/dick-alford-on-opportunities-lost-by-the-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-226997</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston Munn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that when the Fed ran the numbers from the Japanese deflationary fiasco through their computer model they came up with the same answers as did the Japanese, which didn&#039;t work.  So instead of questioning the model (the ideology), they speculated that it must have been a lack of speedy intervention and a lack of magnitude of intervention that was the culprit, i.e., making the same mistakes faster and with greater determination would somehow overcome systemic weakness of the intervention methodology.

It seems to me that there is a group of people in the country who are intelligent but logic-challenged when it comes to their own ideology.  A logically sustainable argument does not validate an invalid premise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that when the Fed ran the numbers from the Japanese deflationary fiasco through their computer model they came up with the same answers as did the Japanese, which didn&#8217;t work.  So instead of questioning the model (the ideology), they speculated that it must have been a lack of speedy intervention and a lack of magnitude of intervention that was the culprit, i.e., making the same mistakes faster and with greater determination would somehow overcome systemic weakness of the intervention methodology.</p>
<p>It seems to me that there is a group of people in the country who are intelligent but logic-challenged when it comes to their own ideology.  A logically sustainable argument does not validate an invalid premise.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce in Tn</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/10/dick-alford-on-opportunities-lost-by-the-fed/comment-page-1/#comment-226992</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce in Tn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the quandry before we get going this beautiful morning....ok, let&#039;s say you set interest rates at zero per cent...ok...trying to get the economy back, right?  Well, if you are investing in this, it is a problem...you now drink the kool-aid, and if you have a pull back, your &quot;savings&quot; are back in the toilet and you feel poorer than ever.  I guarantee you the elderly feel this way.

The only way we get back to sanity is to have cash savings mean something again.  That you don&#039;t have to take the chances with your retirement that are required to play the equities game.

There used to be a saying that the equities market floats on the sea of the bond market..of course the reason why was safety...but you take away the returns of the safe investments and &quot;make&quot; everyone invest in equities...not so much fun if we have another correction...and it would be an even more telling body blow to our economic foundation.

Boys at the fed...smart, I suppose so.

Common sense wise...not so much....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the quandry before we get going this beautiful morning&#8230;.ok, let&#8217;s say you set interest rates at zero per cent&#8230;ok&#8230;trying to get the economy back, right?  Well, if you are investing in this, it is a problem&#8230;you now drink the kool-aid, and if you have a pull back, your &#8220;savings&#8221; are back in the toilet and you feel poorer than ever.  I guarantee you the elderly feel this way.</p>
<p>The only way we get back to sanity is to have cash savings mean something again.  That you don&#8217;t have to take the chances with your retirement that are required to play the equities game.</p>
<p>There used to be a saying that the equities market floats on the sea of the bond market..of course the reason why was safety&#8230;but you take away the returns of the safe investments and &#8220;make&#8221; everyone invest in equities&#8230;not so much fun if we have another correction&#8230;and it would be an even more telling body blow to our economic foundation.</p>
<p>Boys at the fed&#8230;smart, I suppose so.</p>
<p>Common sense wise&#8230;not so much&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interest rate policy gets blamed because it has become the only tool available to the Federal Reserve.  

I suggest the damage was caused by policies giving banks unbridled leveraging ability using both on and off balance sheet mechanisms.   As evidence, even after interest rates were increased, credit creation and liquidity soared.  In fact the Federal Reserve was perplexed.  You will recall the Greenspan conundrum.  

These policies were the equivalent of handing an alcoholic the keys to the distillery.  Banks literally got drunk on the new financial products that they could create in order generate income and fees.

There were essentially no limits to the amount of new &quot;assets&quot; that could be generated.  Since there was no upset limit to the amount, there also was little concern about quality of individual assets or products.    Everything that could be created, was created.

Hangovers are hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interest rate policy gets blamed because it has become the only tool available to the Federal Reserve.  </p>
<p>I suggest the damage was caused by policies giving banks unbridled leveraging ability using both on and off balance sheet mechanisms.   As evidence, even after interest rates were increased, credit creation and liquidity soared.  In fact the Federal Reserve was perplexed.  You will recall the Greenspan conundrum.  </p>
<p>These policies were the equivalent of handing an alcoholic the keys to the distillery.  Banks literally got drunk on the new financial products that they could create in order generate income and fees.</p>
<p>There were essentially no limits to the amount of new &#8220;assets&#8221; that could be generated.  Since there was no upset limit to the amount, there also was little concern about quality of individual assets or products.    Everything that could be created, was created.</p>
<p>Hangovers are hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce in Tn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce in Tn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/magazine/18FOB-wwln-t.html?_r=2&amp;ref=business

U.S. Savings Bind 

&quot;The prescription that we should save more isn’t wrong. Household saving is the total of what people earn less what they spend. If you want to describe the history of the U.S. economy over the last 50 years, in shorthand, you could do worse than this: Americans saved. Then they didn’t. 

For the 35 years after World War II, Americans dutifully set aside about 9 percent of their income. Their savings were plowed into stocks and bonds and formed a pool of capital for investments and new technologies (and a couple of wars, not to mention the space program). They begat a golden era of productivity and growth and, eventually, the 1990s boom. But by then, habits were changing. Starting in the mid-1980s, the personal-savings rate declined. Credit became more available, and people became used to borrowing what they needed. (The commonplace phrase “saving up” — as in “I’m saving up for a washing machine” — all but disappeared.) Also, bubbles in stocks and real estate convinced people they didn’t need to save much for the future, since even a small nest egg would grow into a big one. By the late 2000s, the savings rate plunged to less than 1 percent.&quot;

..and

“After so much lamentation about low saving, it may be a bit hard for the public to stomach economists’ new worries about a drop in spending,” Christopher Carroll, a Johns Hopkins economist wrote in June. Carroll, who has since joined the staff of the Council of Economic Advisers, likened the seeming paradox to the dilemma of St. Augustine, who after a youth spent in pleasure famously prayed, “Lord, make me chaste — but not quite yet.” The government faces a trade-off on financial chastity. This will enter into all sorts of policy decisions, like when to start paying down its deficit. It is the same trade-off — spending now or saving for later? — that the private sector thoroughly botched.&quot;

...Good Sunday...this fellow misses the irony of his own article....that government actions since September 08 have nuked the efforts of the private economy to start repairing savings...that savings from column A  have been transfered to government spending in column B.  BECAUSE TAXES WILL HAVE TO RISE to pay for the transfer.  So the private savings that must needs come, as they say, have been canceled aborning....

Finally a beautiful day in East Tennessee...31 degrees this am but gotta get out in it....

Later...</description>
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<p>U.S. Savings Bind </p>
<p>&#8220;The prescription that we should save more isn’t wrong. Household saving is the total of what people earn less what they spend. If you want to describe the history of the U.S. economy over the last 50 years, in shorthand, you could do worse than this: Americans saved. Then they didn’t. </p>
<p>For the 35 years after World War II, Americans dutifully set aside about 9 percent of their income. Their savings were plowed into stocks and bonds and formed a pool of capital for investments and new technologies (and a couple of wars, not to mention the space program). They begat a golden era of productivity and growth and, eventually, the 1990s boom. But by then, habits were changing. Starting in the mid-1980s, the personal-savings rate declined. Credit became more available, and people became used to borrowing what they needed. (The commonplace phrase “saving up” — as in “I’m saving up for a washing machine” — all but disappeared.) Also, bubbles in stocks and real estate convinced people they didn’t need to save much for the future, since even a small nest egg would grow into a big one. By the late 2000s, the savings rate plunged to less than 1 percent.&#8221;</p>
<p>..and</p>
<p>“After so much lamentation about low saving, it may be a bit hard for the public to stomach economists’ new worries about a drop in spending,” Christopher Carroll, a Johns Hopkins economist wrote in June. Carroll, who has since joined the staff of the Council of Economic Advisers, likened the seeming paradox to the dilemma of St. Augustine, who after a youth spent in pleasure famously prayed, “Lord, make me chaste — but not quite yet.” The government faces a trade-off on financial chastity. This will enter into all sorts of policy decisions, like when to start paying down its deficit. It is the same trade-off — spending now or saving for later? — that the private sector thoroughly botched.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;Good Sunday&#8230;this fellow misses the irony of his own article&#8230;.that government actions since September 08 have nuked the efforts of the private economy to start repairing savings&#8230;that savings from column A  have been transfered to government spending in column B.  BECAUSE TAXES WILL HAVE TO RISE to pay for the transfer.  So the private savings that must needs come, as they say, have been canceled aborning&#8230;.</p>
<p>Finally a beautiful day in East Tennessee&#8230;31 degrees this am but gotta get out in it&#8230;.</p>
<p>Later&#8230;</p>
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