Not sure what you mean, bet it and add. quotes?

I don’t know what game you’re playing (or at least, were playing with the bull schtick) but you may now realize that you’re credibility as a “person” has been shot, and folks are not likely to hear you out and have exchanges with you.

If you’re going to reinvent yourself you may have to come back with a different log in name.

PBS “American Experience” last night showed how the recession is hitting New Yorkers. Also the hairdresser’s sister who bought at top in FLA figuring she could HELOC to send her daughter to College. Her home is now in trouble and she’s taking in renters….others who have been foreclosed on or lost jobs. These are not low income people…these are Middle and Upper Income…

Think it’s going to be a glum Holiday for the retailers. It’s not that folks are tired of saving. They just don’t have any money left…maxxed out on credit card because of unemployment or fears of unemployment to come.

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/closetohome/

As the U.S. unemployment rate hits a 25-year high and the Dow Jones Industrial Average hits a six-year low, award-winning FRONTLINE producer Ofra Bikel chronicles the recession’s impact on one unlikely American neighborhood — New York’s Upper East Side.

In Close to Home, Bikel sets up her cameras in the hair salon she’s patronized for 20 years. It’s an intimate space where she has come to know well the surprisingly diverse clientele — from athletic trainers and housewives to high-end bankers, actors and opera singers. Despite expectations that this neighborhood is a secure bastion of privilege, these days, when clients get in the chair, they offer a window into the country in recession: Some are broke, others don’t have a plan, and they’re all looking to commiserate.

Deborah Boles, the owner and sole hairdresser at Deborah Hair Designs, started the business in 1985. “I wanted a place where people can go and they can feel comfortable,” she says. “They know they belong here.” But it’s all on the line with the current downturn — clients come less often; some skip coloring or skip the trim — and as Deborah watches neighboring businesses go under, she wonders how long she can survive.

Barbara, Deborah’s sister, helps out at the salon, but she has been struggling with her own economic crisis. After buying a home in Florida at the height of the market, she now has a subprime mortgage that she can no longer afford. Unable to pay the exorbitant interest, she has had to take in four tenants, each with their own stories of foreclosure and unemployment.

Regarding Cohen: That guys is an absolute idiot! Here’s a quote from his “brilliant” analysis yesterday:

“”Speaking on a conference call hosted by Dow Jones analyst Indexes and STOXX, Marshall Cohen, chief industry of market researcher NPD Group said consumers are getting tired of watching their pennies.

“Consumers are clearly telling us they are beginning to get tired of saving money,” Cohen said.

It has been more than a year since the economy started putting the pinch on consumer pocketbooks. Consumers have been trying to get their debt under control, and have pushed up the savings rate to decade-high levels. The holidays may finally give consumers a reason to start spending again.”

-Is anyone here “tired of saving money” yet? This guy is not only completely out of touch but somewhat insulting as well. There are about twice as many unemployed this year vs. last. They’re not “getting tired of saving”, they’re trying to survive. How moronic can a person be? It absolutely infuriates me!

overall i think we end up a with a holiday season that’s flat to slightly up from last year.