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		<title>By: grunge101</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/a-cheaper-dow-10000/comment-page-1/#comment-235088</link>
		<dc:creator>grunge101</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, Barry, Barry....

Asset allocation?  Come on.   That argument always strikes me as a weezle word excuse for advisers who can&#039;t make good investment decisions.  Are you getting too successful now to actually speak negatively on the market?

How exactly is asset allocation not timing the market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, Barry, Barry&#8230;.</p>
<p>Asset allocation?  Come on.   That argument always strikes me as a weezle word excuse for advisers who can&#8217;t make good investment decisions.  Are you getting too successful now to actually speak negatively on the market?</p>
<p>How exactly is asset allocation not timing the market?</p>
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		<title>By: michaeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>michaeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the Dow is cheaper! Very interesting observation!

But it all depends on where it will be months from now. 

There is a way to profit through from the ups and downs of the stock markets: use timing signals to figure out when to get in and when to get out.

Consider http://invetrics.com

Its daily DJIA index trading signal is up a respectable 68% for the year (as of November 1, 2009) and it is free of charge for individual investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the Dow is cheaper! Very interesting observation!</p>
<p>But it all depends on where it will be months from now. </p>
<p>There is a way to profit through from the ups and downs of the stock markets: use timing signals to figure out when to get in and when to get out.</p>
<p>Consider <a href="http://invetrics.com" rel="nofollow">http://invetrics.com</a></p>
<p>Its daily DJIA index trading signal is up a respectable 68% for the year (as of November 1, 2009) and it is free of charge for individual investors.</p>
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		<title>By: How the Common Man Sees It</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/a-cheaper-dow-10000/comment-page-1/#comment-234693</link>
		<dc:creator>How the Common Man Sees It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 02:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“Money” is just another asset class&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, money is just a legal document and its value is measured by the power mad lunatic who is running the creation of it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Money” is just another asset class</i></p>
<p>Actually, money is just a legal document and its value is measured by the power mad lunatic who is running the creation of it</p>
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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 01:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;an asset allocation strategy&quot;

So much to do, so little time...  Many citizens can&#039;t read and/or write.  Many don&#039;t comprehend what they read.  Many don&#039;t have the discretionary funds available for this purpose.  These are just a few of the reasons why this doesn&#039;t work for many average Americans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;an asset allocation strategy&#8221;</p>
<p>So much to do, so little time&#8230;  Many citizens can&#8217;t read and/or write.  Many don&#8217;t comprehend what they read.  Many don&#8217;t have the discretionary funds available for this purpose.  These are just a few of the reasons why this doesn&#8217;t work for many average Americans.</p>
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		<title>By: VennData</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/a-cheaper-dow-10000/comment-page-1/#comment-234619</link>
		<dc:creator>VennData</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark E. Hoffer,

Asset Allocation (with re-balancing)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_allocation

... sure Bush destroyed the dollar from &#039;00 &#039;til he left, but &quot;The Dow measured in gold&quot; could be recast as the DOW measured in EEM, VWO, VGK, VPL VBR etc.. etc... not only GLD, got it now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark E. Hoffer,</p>
<p>Asset Allocation (with re-balancing)</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_allocation" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_allocation</a></p>
<p>&#8230; sure Bush destroyed the dollar from &#8217;00 &#8217;til he left, but &#8220;The Dow measured in gold&#8221; could be recast as the DOW measured in EEM, VWO, VGK, VPL VBR etc.. etc&#8230; not only GLD, got it now?</p>
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		<title>By: van schaik</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/a-cheaper-dow-10000/comment-page-1/#comment-234588</link>
		<dc:creator>van schaik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And adjusted for the CPI (http://bit.ly/3KXlh0), Dow 10,000 today was worth over 30% more in March of 1999. http://jpetervanschaik.googlepages.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And adjusted for the CPI (<a href="http://bit.ly/3KXlh0" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/3KXlh0</a>), Dow 10,000 today was worth over 30% more in March of 1999. <a href="http://jpetervanschaik.googlepages.com" rel="nofollow">http://jpetervanschaik.googlepages.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sunday links: the new, new economy Abnormal Returns</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/a-cheaper-dow-10000/comment-page-1/#comment-234583</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday links: the new, new economy Abnormal Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Paul J. Lim, &#8220;By almost every measure, stocks are far cheaper at Dow 10,000 today than at Dow 10,000 in March 1999.&#8221;  (NYTimes also Big Picture) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Paul J. Lim, &#8220;By almost every measure, stocks are far cheaper at Dow 10,000 today than at Dow 10,000 in March 1999.&#8221;  (NYTimes also Big Picture) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: drey</title>
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		<dc:creator>drey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And when all of the above asset classes become correlated and start to head down, as they did last October, that is your signal to move aggressively to cash.&quot;

Good point, though I wonder if you won&#039;t see a disconnect between equities/bonds/CRE and commodities/PMs (excluding energy) when the s&amp;*t hits the fan part deux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And when all of the above asset classes become correlated and start to head down, as they did last October, that is your signal to move aggressively to cash.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point, though I wonder if you won&#8217;t see a disconnect between equities/bonds/CRE and commodities/PMs (excluding energy) when the s&amp;*t hits the fan part deux.</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SB, I agree with you.  Tisch always comes across as a straight shooter.  Like the man.  His message, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SB, I agree with you.  Tisch always comes across as a straight shooter.  Like the man.  His message, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: ben22</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with the idea of diversification, the problem is, most people don&#039;t have any opinion on any markets, so &quot;spreading it around&quot; may in fact only help them lose 20% on 15 different investments rather than say, 4 or 5, if they don&#039;t know when to buy and sell.  Unless of course since you spread it around you think it&#039;s ok to buy and hold, good luck with that.

The timing of this article is certainly interesting, are we to believe based on a 10 year average p/e that one shouldn&#039;t bother to mention we&#039;ve had a 60% rally might want to be a little cautious with new buys?   I&#039;m not sure how the E is considered either.  In 2002 S&amp;P changed the basis of its earnings reports to &quot;operating earnings&quot; making the p/e ratio ever since about half of what it really is yet we just compare away like nothing every happened.   It was obvious then, as it is now, that companies didn&#039;t want to report any bad news.  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/chart-of-the-day-sp500-pe-ratio/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Remember This Chart? &lt;/a&gt;

You might also consider the massive credit expansion and what it does to the E over this 10 year trailing period.  Look at any meaningful measure of the health of the economy, it doesn&#039;t look better. 

Grantham stated that stocks were undervalued in the spring of this year really for the first time in about 20 years.  I suppose in buying this p/e NYT argument you&#039;d also have to believe that investors are rationale for having bought so quickly at those levels.  I&#039;d love to hear the justification for labeling market participants rationale especially in the face of the largest credit deflation we have seen in decades. 

I find P/E ratio to generally be of little value in determining when to buy and sell equities, it&#039;s great that compared to 99 it looks like a better &quot;value&quot; but that still tells you nothing of the next 10 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the idea of diversification, the problem is, most people don&#8217;t have any opinion on any markets, so &#8220;spreading it around&#8221; may in fact only help them lose 20% on 15 different investments rather than say, 4 or 5, if they don&#8217;t know when to buy and sell.  Unless of course since you spread it around you think it&#8217;s ok to buy and hold, good luck with that.</p>
<p>The timing of this article is certainly interesting, are we to believe based on a 10 year average p/e that one shouldn&#8217;t bother to mention we&#8217;ve had a 60% rally might want to be a little cautious with new buys?   I&#8217;m not sure how the E is considered either.  In 2002 S&amp;P changed the basis of its earnings reports to &#8220;operating earnings&#8221; making the p/e ratio ever since about half of what it really is yet we just compare away like nothing every happened.   It was obvious then, as it is now, that companies didn&#8217;t want to report any bad news.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/08/chart-of-the-day-sp500-pe-ratio/" rel="nofollow">Remember This Chart? </a></p>
<p>You might also consider the massive credit expansion and what it does to the E over this 10 year trailing period.  Look at any meaningful measure of the health of the economy, it doesn&#8217;t look better. </p>
<p>Grantham stated that stocks were undervalued in the spring of this year really for the first time in about 20 years.  I suppose in buying this p/e NYT argument you&#8217;d also have to believe that investors are rationale for having bought so quickly at those levels.  I&#8217;d love to hear the justification for labeling market participants rationale especially in the face of the largest credit deflation we have seen in decades. </p>
<p>I find P/E ratio to generally be of little value in determining when to buy and sell equities, it&#8217;s great that compared to 99 it looks like a better &#8220;value&#8221; but that still tells you nothing of the next 10 years.</p>
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