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		<title>By: Great Finds on Twitter &#171; StockTwits Network</title>
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		<title>By: So many crashes, so little time &#124; What the $%@&#38;* Trading!</title>
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		<dc:creator>So many crashes, so little time &#124; What the $%@&#38;* Trading!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] interesting reading:  Asia trip, Dubai news, T-Day wish!  This is a great read about what the Asians think about the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It stinks not having oil.

Dubai Background

Dubai is one of 7 Emirates that make up the United Arab Emirates. Abu Dhabi, with huge energy reserves and a sovereign wealth fund thought to be worth $630 billion, is the richest of them.  Its banks are major creditors of Dubai and its companies, but news that they are no longer willing to keep buying or refinancing the debt of Dubai’s major companies  shocked the global markets.

Dubai and U.S. Housing Speculators Play the Same Game

Dubai has very few energy resources and raises little money via income tax due to its competitive tax policies. The state has consistently run deficits and the Emirate&#039;s growth has therefore been funded via the money markets.

A huge property-led boom saw money pile into infrastructure and construction projects (sound familiar?). Similiar to being on the cover of Sports Illustrated, building the world’s tallest building has always been viewed by investors as a sign that a local economy is about to head south.

Dubai World, the most indebted of Dubai’s state-sponsored companies, owes $60 billion of which $22 billion must be refinanced by 2011.

Worries About Impact Of Dubai Crisis Generate Substantial Selling Pressure

The U.S. stock market opened sharply lower (down roughly -3%) on Friday, November 27, 2009 in a reaction to the financial crisis in Dubai. The downward momentum comes after Dubai World asked to postpone payment on some of its $60 billion in debt. Worries about a default by the city-state have raised significant concerns about the impact on banks.

The markets closed down roughly -1.5%.  

Mark Minervini Comment on Dubai Sell Off

I view short term turmoil in countries and nations outside the U.S. as a long term positive for U.S. stock and bond markets.  Similar to the Asia crisis in the late 1990&#039;s, these foreign calamities highlight the relative safety of the U.S. and bolster U.S. credibility.  I made this same comment during the Asian crisis, which turned out to have the same effect.  

A Counterintuitive Scribe

I will leave you with one counterintuitive comment by James Hillman from his book, Kinds of Power: A Guide to Its Intelligent Uses:  

“Wherever we see an increase we feel its weight. All the numbers going up no longer portray the optimistic spirit, but instead indicate monstrosities, epidemics, ugliness, future disaster, extinction. Growth has taken on a cancerous tinge. To use the word now sends a message of potential danger, whether the growth be in debt, the population, the underemployed, the homeless, the dimension of cities, the size of government, the particles in the air, the tax rate, the cost of living, the cholesterol count, even the rising numbers on the bathroom scale. Going up now means decline. What was before the measure of progress has become a sign of
problems.”

You might be thinking that this was written to describe the current economic challenges, however his book was written in  1995.  Did the world recover, indeed.  Will the U.S. and global growth recover this time around...indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It stinks not having oil.</p>
<p>Dubai Background</p>
<p>Dubai is one of 7 Emirates that make up the United Arab Emirates. Abu Dhabi, with huge energy reserves and a sovereign wealth fund thought to be worth $630 billion, is the richest of them.  Its banks are major creditors of Dubai and its companies, but news that they are no longer willing to keep buying or refinancing the debt of Dubai’s major companies  shocked the global markets.</p>
<p>Dubai and U.S. Housing Speculators Play the Same Game</p>
<p>Dubai has very few energy resources and raises little money via income tax due to its competitive tax policies. The state has consistently run deficits and the Emirate&#8217;s growth has therefore been funded via the money markets.</p>
<p>A huge property-led boom saw money pile into infrastructure and construction projects (sound familiar?). Similiar to being on the cover of Sports Illustrated, building the world’s tallest building has always been viewed by investors as a sign that a local economy is about to head south.</p>
<p>Dubai World, the most indebted of Dubai’s state-sponsored companies, owes $60 billion of which $22 billion must be refinanced by 2011.</p>
<p>Worries About Impact Of Dubai Crisis Generate Substantial Selling Pressure</p>
<p>The U.S. stock market opened sharply lower (down roughly -3%) on Friday, November 27, 2009 in a reaction to the financial crisis in Dubai. The downward momentum comes after Dubai World asked to postpone payment on some of its $60 billion in debt. Worries about a default by the city-state have raised significant concerns about the impact on banks.</p>
<p>The markets closed down roughly -1.5%.  </p>
<p>Mark Minervini Comment on Dubai Sell Off</p>
<p>I view short term turmoil in countries and nations outside the U.S. as a long term positive for U.S. stock and bond markets.  Similar to the Asia crisis in the late 1990&#8242;s, these foreign calamities highlight the relative safety of the U.S. and bolster U.S. credibility.  I made this same comment during the Asian crisis, which turned out to have the same effect.  </p>
<p>A Counterintuitive Scribe</p>
<p>I will leave you with one counterintuitive comment by James Hillman from his book, Kinds of Power: A Guide to Its Intelligent Uses:  </p>
<p>“Wherever we see an increase we feel its weight. All the numbers going up no longer portray the optimistic spirit, but instead indicate monstrosities, epidemics, ugliness, future disaster, extinction. Growth has taken on a cancerous tinge. To use the word now sends a message of potential danger, whether the growth be in debt, the population, the underemployed, the homeless, the dimension of cities, the size of government, the particles in the air, the tax rate, the cost of living, the cholesterol count, even the rising numbers on the bathroom scale. Going up now means decline. What was before the measure of progress has become a sign of<br />
problems.”</p>
<p>You might be thinking that this was written to describe the current economic challenges, however his book was written in  1995.  Did the world recover, indeed.  Will the U.S. and global growth recover this time around&#8230;indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: How the Common Man Sees It</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the Common Man Sees It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 14:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between the Chinese and the Japanese popping bubble is that the Chinese are accustomed to being poor. Americans and Japanese aren&#039;t. A crisis in either of those nations could lead to serious economic upheaval</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between the Chinese and the Japanese popping bubble is that the Chinese are accustomed to being poor. Americans and Japanese aren&#8217;t. A crisis in either of those nations could lead to serious economic upheaval</p>
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		<title>By: d4winds</title>
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		<dc:creator>d4winds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The China bubble is the next big one to pop.  The tea leaves: (a) rampant official lying in government statistics to tell a growth story that does not exist; (b) excessive, unquestioning  media attention and suspect valuations (&quot;it&#039;s different this time&quot;); (c) a Chinese government/private sector that is in a permanent state of investing savings in other countries--like the US--rather than its own: this is the classic pattern for impoverished, materials-rich exporting LDCs that permanently remain so, the &quot;material&quot; in China&#039;s case being merely cheap labor in ultra abundance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The China bubble is the next big one to pop.  The tea leaves: (a) rampant official lying in government statistics to tell a growth story that does not exist; (b) excessive, unquestioning  media attention and suspect valuations (&#8220;it&#8217;s different this time&#8221;); (c) a Chinese government/private sector that is in a permanent state of investing savings in other countries&#8211;like the US&#8211;rather than its own: this is the classic pattern for impoverished, materials-rich exporting LDCs that permanently remain so, the &#8220;material&#8221; in China&#8217;s case being merely cheap labor in ultra abundance.</p>
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		<title>By: How the Common Man Sees It</title>
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		<dc:creator>How the Common Man Sees It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 10:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cumberland’s recommendations include worldwide diversification of security risk and worldwide diversification of currency exposure. Favor spread product in the fixed-income area and avoid US Treasury securities. View all positions as subject to change in strategic ways. Require independent verification of credit rating opinions and do not depend solely on rating agencies. And be prepared to change course as events unfold. Act prospectively and preemptively and not reactively.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but shouldn&#039;t we have been doing that anyway? ;)

I would be wary of jumping back into Japan. I don&#039;t think the world is big enough to support both the US and Japanese current spending deficits. I am leaning towards one of them going into a borrowing crisis as the next stage of this ongoing debtism (as opposed to capitalism) crisis (the next significant Oct. &#039;08 type crisis, not these mini Dubai type crises). I&#039;m guessing it may hit over the next couple years and I don&#039;t see Japan going anywhere until it does hit. At least not anywhere safely</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cumberland’s recommendations include worldwide diversification of security risk and worldwide diversification of currency exposure. Favor spread product in the fixed-income area and avoid US Treasury securities. View all positions as subject to change in strategic ways. Require independent verification of credit rating opinions and do not depend solely on rating agencies. And be prepared to change course as events unfold. Act prospectively and preemptively and not reactively.</i></p>
<p>Yes, but shouldn&#8217;t we have been doing that anyway? ;)</p>
<p>I would be wary of jumping back into Japan. I don&#8217;t think the world is big enough to support both the US and Japanese current spending deficits. I am leaning towards one of them going into a borrowing crisis as the next stage of this ongoing debtism (as opposed to capitalism) crisis (the next significant Oct. &#8217;08 type crisis, not these mini Dubai type crises). I&#8217;m guessing it may hit over the next couple years and I don&#8217;t see Japan going anywhere until it does hit. At least not anywhere safely</p>
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		<title>By: TripleB</title>
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		<dc:creator>TripleB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 02:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much enjoyed reading these insights; thank you for putting this online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much enjoyed reading these insights; thank you for putting this online.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Clarke: 

Mark &#039;Enron Shorter&#039; Chanos would agree about China.

Also, it&#039;s hardly secret that people are suspicious of the US Dollar and types like Mark Faber, Jim Rogers and particularly Peter Schiff and Ron Paul seem to have developed almost personality cults. I just can&#039;t figure out why all they are so bearish on the US Dollar because of deficits but not the Yen or the Euro?? 

America&#039;s far from the only country to have had a real estate bubble, bad loans, bank bailouts and a serious lapse of ethics, to put it mildly.  Nearly every country seems to be pursing policies that benefit the so-called &#039;ruling class&#039; over pretty much everybody else.   See http://chinesepolitics.blogspot.com/

The whole world is a mess and while it&#039;s comforting for those in the East to blame the &#039;West&#039; for the current financial crisis, greed and corruption are thoroughly global phenomena.  It&#039;s part of the human condition, unfortunately, and the hunt for a quick buck and damn-the-consequences isn&#039;t restricted to California house-flippers.

When people in the East talk to Westerners they do certainly like to play up those stereotypes of the East being more &#039;spiritual&#039; or &#039;less materialistic&#039; but as someone who&#039;s married to someone from India and whose mother spent 10 years in Hong Kong and China, I can tell you that it&#039;s utter nonsense.  It&#039;s a lot easier to blame &#039;Western values&#039; for being a corrupting influence rather than look internally and I see plenty of people in the US decry the same lack of moral fiber in people who are supposed to be our leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Clarke: </p>
<p>Mark &#8216;Enron Shorter&#8217; Chanos would agree about China.</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s hardly secret that people are suspicious of the US Dollar and types like Mark Faber, Jim Rogers and particularly Peter Schiff and Ron Paul seem to have developed almost personality cults. I just can&#8217;t figure out why all they are so bearish on the US Dollar because of deficits but not the Yen or the Euro?? </p>
<p>America&#8217;s far from the only country to have had a real estate bubble, bad loans, bank bailouts and a serious lapse of ethics, to put it mildly.  Nearly every country seems to be pursing policies that benefit the so-called &#8216;ruling class&#8217; over pretty much everybody else.   See <a href="http://chinesepolitics.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://chinesepolitics.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>The whole world is a mess and while it&#8217;s comforting for those in the East to blame the &#8216;West&#8217; for the current financial crisis, greed and corruption are thoroughly global phenomena.  It&#8217;s part of the human condition, unfortunately, and the hunt for a quick buck and damn-the-consequences isn&#8217;t restricted to California house-flippers.</p>
<p>When people in the East talk to Westerners they do certainly like to play up those stereotypes of the East being more &#8216;spiritual&#8217; or &#8216;less materialistic&#8217; but as someone who&#8217;s married to someone from India and whose mother spent 10 years in Hong Kong and China, I can tell you that it&#8217;s utter nonsense.  It&#8217;s a lot easier to blame &#8216;Western values&#8217; for being a corrupting influence rather than look internally and I see plenty of people in the US decry the same lack of moral fiber in people who are supposed to be our leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Market Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We&#8217;ve Got One Word For You: Dubai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Market Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; We&#8217;ve Got One Word For You: Dubai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] nor, for that matter, in America,&#8221; Cumberland&#8217;s chief investment officer David Kotok writes at The Big Picture. &#8220;At Cumberland, we want to see the market make the adjustment for this [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] nor, for that matter, in America,&#8221; Cumberland&#8217;s chief investment officer David Kotok writes at The Big Picture. &#8220;At Cumberland, we want to see the market make the adjustment for this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Clarke</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Clarke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 03:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly with about 90% of the post above regarding the mess that Paulson, Bernanke and &#039;TurboTax Timmay&#039;  have created, but on this issue I have a couple of questions.
    
       David says:  
    
      &quot;Asian emerging markets are a terrific story. This is true both for the fledgling ones and for the largest one, China&quot;. 

1)   Do you really think the Asian story is going (to continue to go) anywhere without the United States and Japan in Todays Global Economy.

2)  Do you really a believe/trust the Rosy economic data coming out of some of these countries, especially China.  

       Personally, I think China is Full of Sh*t on the matter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly with about 90% of the post above regarding the mess that Paulson, Bernanke and &#8216;TurboTax Timmay&#8217;  have created, but on this issue I have a couple of questions.</p>
<p>       David says:  </p>
<p>      &#8220;Asian emerging markets are a terrific story. This is true both for the fledgling ones and for the largest one, China&#8221;. </p>
<p>1)   Do you really think the Asian story is going (to continue to go) anywhere without the United States and Japan in Todays Global Economy.</p>
<p>2)  Do you really a believe/trust the Rosy economic data coming out of some of these countries, especially China.  </p>
<p>       Personally, I think China is Full of Sh*t on the matter&#8230;</p>
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