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	<title>Comments on: Buffett&#8217;s Bailouts</title>
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		<title>By: stevenstevo</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/buffetts-bailouts/comment-page-2/#comment-233466</link>
		<dc:creator>stevenstevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is stupid.  I am actually shocked to see something like this on this website.

First of all, Goldman, American Express and US Bancorp have repaid those TARP amounts in full, plus accrued dividends.  Second, comparing Berkshire&#039;s share of ownership in the above companies to the total amount of TARP the companies received is misleading.  Granted, I&#039;m not even sure what it means to say someone has invested in companies that have received XXX amount of TARP, but surely there is a difference between owning one share and a million.  Multiplying BRKH&#039;s % ownership in each company by the TARP amount would present a valid comparison with the dollar amount BRKH has invested in each such company.  Third, Buffet&#039;s investment in Goldman Sachs is one of the greatest investments we will ever see.  Fourth, after subtracting out those who have repaid TARP, BAC and its $45 billion in TARP account for about 60% of the remaining total TARP amount.   Buffet&#039;s investment in BAC as indicated above is $67 million.  Berkshire Hathaway has a balance sheet of just under $300 billion.   Thus, in terms of BRKH&#039;s total assets, the investment in BAC represents about 0.02% of Berkshire&#039;s balance sheet.  So let&#039;s be clear: Buffet has benefited very, very, very little from the $45 billion in TARP that BAC has received.  

In summary, the above chart is one of the dumber things ever posted on this website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is stupid.  I am actually shocked to see something like this on this website.</p>
<p>First of all, Goldman, American Express and US Bancorp have repaid those TARP amounts in full, plus accrued dividends.  Second, comparing Berkshire&#8217;s share of ownership in the above companies to the total amount of TARP the companies received is misleading.  Granted, I&#8217;m not even sure what it means to say someone has invested in companies that have received XXX amount of TARP, but surely there is a difference between owning one share and a million.  Multiplying BRKH&#8217;s % ownership in each company by the TARP amount would present a valid comparison with the dollar amount BRKH has invested in each such company.  Third, Buffet&#8217;s investment in Goldman Sachs is one of the greatest investments we will ever see.  Fourth, after subtracting out those who have repaid TARP, BAC and its $45 billion in TARP account for about 60% of the remaining total TARP amount.   Buffet&#8217;s investment in BAC as indicated above is $67 million.  Berkshire Hathaway has a balance sheet of just under $300 billion.   Thus, in terms of BRKH&#8217;s total assets, the investment in BAC represents about 0.02% of Berkshire&#8217;s balance sheet.  So let&#8217;s be clear: Buffet has benefited very, very, very little from the $45 billion in TARP that BAC has received.  </p>
<p>In summary, the above chart is one of the dumber things ever posted on this website.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordian Knots &#124; Buffett&#8217;s stake in 8 companies that received $133 billion in bailout</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordian Knots &#124; Buffett&#8217;s stake in 8 companies that received $133 billion in bailout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Via Buffett’s Bailouts &#124; The Big Picture [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RLA</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/buffetts-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-233230</link>
		<dc:creator>RLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t faul the guy for his money making abilities. But people need to know that he has done it off the working mans back, his employees,  as well, he isn&#039;t the philanthropic grandfatherly type he is depicted on television. He might be better described as, vindictive, ruthless, and noncaring. Buffett and a Scottsman invented copper wire, they were fighting  a battle of tug-of-war over a penny!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t faul the guy for his money making abilities. But people need to know that he has done it off the working mans back, his employees,  as well, he isn&#8217;t the philanthropic grandfatherly type he is depicted on television. He might be better described as, vindictive, ruthless, and noncaring. Buffett and a Scottsman invented copper wire, they were fighting  a battle of tug-of-war over a penny!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/buffetts-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-233210</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 22:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alfred e, 

no prob, btw, there&#039;s more to the story, if one follows the trail..

like this http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&amp;v%3Asources=webplus&amp;query=Club+of+Rome

always makes for interesting reading..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alfred e, </p>
<p>no prob, btw, there&#8217;s more to the story, if one follows the trail..</p>
<p>like this <a href="http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&amp;v%3Asources=webplus&amp;query=Club+of+Rome" rel="nofollow">http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&amp;v%3Asources=webplus&amp;query=Club+of+Rome</a></p>
<p>always makes for interesting reading..</p>
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		<title>By: cheapskate</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/buffetts-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-233164</link>
		<dc:creator>cheapskate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buffett is an opportunist who is only interested in making money for himself and his shareholder. Long before this financial collapse and Moodys, he was pumping Freddie/Fannie and calling Franklin Raines out as a great leader.

Nothing wrong with money making being his only purpose in life. 

His good old worldly philosopher front is an insult to any intelligent person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buffett is an opportunist who is only interested in making money for himself and his shareholder. Long before this financial collapse and Moodys, he was pumping Freddie/Fannie and calling Franklin Raines out as a great leader.</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with money making being his only purpose in life. </p>
<p>His good old worldly philosopher front is an insult to any intelligent person.</p>
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		<title>By: alfred e</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/buffetts-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-233144</link>
		<dc:creator>alfred e</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MEH:  Thanks much for the Gore climate market info.  

Just goes to show how conflicted/corrupt things have become.  

Carbon cap and trade will be our final waterloo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MEH:  Thanks much for the Gore climate market info.  </p>
<p>Just goes to show how conflicted/corrupt things have become.  </p>
<p>Carbon cap and trade will be our final waterloo.</p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/buffetts-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-233142</link>
		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bergsten, ha!  those unions rose out of the Industrial Revolution, Upton Sinclair  The Jungle etc. then the companies in the Rust Belt, started moving their factories down South, where there are no unions. The Big Three is now broke, wards of Uncle Sam,  can&#039;t pay all of those UAW bennies, etc.  and we&#039;re back to slavery, and the Jungle. round and round we go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bergsten, ha!  those unions rose out of the Industrial Revolution, Upton Sinclair  The Jungle etc. then the companies in the Rust Belt, started moving their factories down South, where there are no unions. The Big Three is now broke, wards of Uncle Sam,  can&#8217;t pay all of those UAW bennies, etc.  and we&#8217;re back to slavery, and the Jungle. round and round we go.</p>
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		<title>By: RLA</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/buffetts-bailouts/comment-page-1/#comment-233137</link>
		<dc:creator>RLA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of our Unions  is in negotiations with Mr. Buffett and company.  And in reality there is no negotiating with his henchmen.  Buffett (MEHC) bought our company about 5 years ago, Pacific Power, it was a cash cow.  This is the first negotiations with him, as the union bargained in good faith with an agreement to forgo negotiations and take an extension to help speed the buyout.  

Well five years later, negotaitions start, 27 take-aways. After several trips to the table with little negotitating, stalemate, and a contract offer of just 10 take-aways, but major ones.  And no movement on Buffetts side.  They want pensions froze, health insurance costs doubled, anywhere from 3 to 8 days of vacation taken away, one holiday taken away, one floating holiday taken away, bereavment leave taken away,  accident prevention manual take from Union/Employee input, and sole discretion given to management.   And some major wording changes. Some show of thanks for walking into an extension. All of these take-aways, while this portion of his holdings posts $400 million + in profits, a CEO that makes a $22 million bonus this year and a $30 million next year, all the while applying for rate increase every single year, this year 13.7% rate increase.

First vote was 98% of membership saying  NO!    

Now I read the report above, as to how he gains his wealth also through government graft, and off the backs of his workers, guess who is paying for BNSF???????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of our Unions  is in negotiations with Mr. Buffett and company.  And in reality there is no negotiating with his henchmen.  Buffett (MEHC) bought our company about 5 years ago, Pacific Power, it was a cash cow.  This is the first negotiations with him, as the union bargained in good faith with an agreement to forgo negotiations and take an extension to help speed the buyout.  </p>
<p>Well five years later, negotaitions start, 27 take-aways. After several trips to the table with little negotitating, stalemate, and a contract offer of just 10 take-aways, but major ones.  And no movement on Buffetts side.  They want pensions froze, health insurance costs doubled, anywhere from 3 to 8 days of vacation taken away, one holiday taken away, one floating holiday taken away, bereavment leave taken away,  accident prevention manual take from Union/Employee input, and sole discretion given to management.   And some major wording changes. Some show of thanks for walking into an extension. All of these take-aways, while this portion of his holdings posts $400 million + in profits, a CEO that makes a $22 million bonus this year and a $30 million next year, all the while applying for rate increase every single year, this year 13.7% rate increase.</p>
<p>First vote was 98% of membership saying  NO!    </p>
<p>Now I read the report above, as to how he gains his wealth also through government graft, and off the backs of his workers, guess who is paying for BNSF???????</p>
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		<title>By: bergsten</title>
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		<dc:creator>bergsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hue 10:05am -- want to have some info porn fun?  Compare the map of &quot;right to work&quot; states:
http://www.nrtw.org/images/us-map.gif

with the map of blue/red states:
http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/statemapredbluer512.png

Funny correlation, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hue 10:05am &#8212; want to have some info porn fun?  Compare the map of &#8220;right to work&#8221; states:<br />
<a href="http://www.nrtw.org/images/us-map.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrtw.org/images/us-map.gif</a></p>
<p>with the map of blue/red states:<br />
<a href="http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/statemapredbluer512.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.mentalfloss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/statemapredbluer512.png</a></p>
<p>Funny correlation, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday links: hard knocks Abnormal Returns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunday links: hard knocks Abnormal Returns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 15:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ethics of Warren Buffett in question.  (Big Picture, [...]</description>
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