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		<title>By: danm</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/is-consumer-protection-regulation-too-big-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-232150</link>
		<dc:creator>danm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how could I miss Ireland!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how could I miss Ireland!</p>
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		<title>By: danm</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/is-consumer-protection-regulation-too-big-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-232144</link>
		<dc:creator>danm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dblwyo:

Look at what is currently happening on the islands... Iceland, Japan, Australia (drought)...  I think they will give us a clue of what to expect within the next decade.

The ROW is the Western world&#039;s dump but with globalization, the earth is an island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dblwyo:</p>
<p>Look at what is currently happening on the islands&#8230; Iceland, Japan, Australia (drought)&#8230;  I think they will give us a clue of what to expect within the next decade.</p>
<p>The ROW is the Western world&#8217;s dump but with globalization, the earth is an island.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Aurelius</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/is-consumer-protection-regulation-too-big-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-232116</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Aurelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks resisting making what is already unethical to the point of immorality, illegal (they don&#039;t mind being despised as the vampire squid/leech/pariahs they are, but they don&#039;t want anything to happen that might make them suffer actual consequences).

OTOH, we&#039;d be doing much better right now if the government would simply enforce the laws already on the books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks resisting making what is already unethical to the point of immorality, illegal (they don&#8217;t mind being despised as the vampire squid/leech/pariahs they are, but they don&#8217;t want anything to happen that might make them suffer actual consequences).</p>
<p>OTOH, we&#8217;d be doing much better right now if the government would simply enforce the laws already on the books.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc P</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/is-consumer-protection-regulation-too-big-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-232028</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an industry, the only thing better than no regulation is regulation that industry controls.

Expect Wall St. to oppose all regulation change, then abruptly concede &quot;defeat&quot; with the passage of regulation that ultimately will allow Wall St. to control the regulators.

Nothing new, just the sadness of watching our democracy wither.

Is a spine transplant for Obama covered under the proposed health care plan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an industry, the only thing better than no regulation is regulation that industry controls.</p>
<p>Expect Wall St. to oppose all regulation change, then abruptly concede &#8220;defeat&#8221; with the passage of regulation that ultimately will allow Wall St. to control the regulators.</p>
<p>Nothing new, just the sadness of watching our democracy wither.</p>
<p>Is a spine transplant for Obama covered under the proposed health care plan?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/is-consumer-protection-regulation-too-big-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-231998</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>noone sees the--  Problem.. Reaction.. Solution gambit at play, here, as well?

http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&amp;v%3Asources=webplus&amp;query=Problem+Reaction+Solution

The Problem Reaction Solution Paradigm  (The Hegelian Dialectic)
1) The government creates or exploits a problem blaming it on others
2) The people react by asking the government for help willing to give up their rights
3) The government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>noone sees the&#8211;  Problem.. Reaction.. Solution gambit at play, here, as well?</p>
<p><a href="http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&#038;v%3Asources=webplus&#038;query=Problem+Reaction+Solution" rel="nofollow">http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&#038;v%3Asources=webplus&#038;query=Problem+Reaction+Solution</a></p>
<p>The Problem Reaction Solution Paradigm  (The Hegelian Dialectic)<br />
1) The government creates or exploits a problem blaming it on others<br />
2) The people react by asking the government for help willing to give up their rights<br />
3) The government offers the solution that was planned long before the crisis</p>
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		<title>By: Pat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/is-consumer-protection-regulation-too-big-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-231968</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banks are or have fought against: &quot;efforts to limit executive pay, legislation governing the $592 trillion market for derivatives, new credit card rules and to renegotiate mortgages&quot;.

This is the thanks we taxpayers get for rescuing them (and us supposedly) from the end.  We cover their backs while they continually work to exploit our backsides.  I wished they would have just allowed them to blow up in the beginning like the majority of the population wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks are or have fought against: &#8220;efforts to limit executive pay, legislation governing the $592 trillion market for derivatives, new credit card rules and to renegotiate mortgages&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is the thanks we taxpayers get for rescuing them (and us supposedly) from the end.  We cover their backs while they continually work to exploit our backsides.  I wished they would have just allowed them to blow up in the beginning like the majority of the population wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: Robespierre</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/is-consumer-protection-regulation-too-big-to-fail/comment-page-1/#comment-231940</link>
		<dc:creator>Robespierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When it comes to consumer banking, the industry’s lobbyists are no longer all-powerful. Banks lost their bid to squelch new credit card rules that Obama signed into law in May.&quot;

Oh please lets get real here. GS made money on every trade last q except 1 day. GS has been selling a &quot;product&quot; to customers while knowing that it was a defective product that was going to blow up in the near future.

Now on the first point it is next to impossible to get that kind of success without gaming the system. A government that is not own by these firms would be investigating them - Do you see any AG doing that?

On the second point the equivalent would be a pharmaceutical company selling a drug knowing that it has a %100 chance of destroying a patients liver because they also sell livers on the side. This is enough to land the execs. at that company in jail. Do you see that happening in any of the big financial firms?

So to summarize they can pass as many laws and regulations as they want because they will not be enforced just like the old ones were not enforced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When it comes to consumer banking, the industry’s lobbyists are no longer all-powerful. Banks lost their bid to squelch new credit card rules that Obama signed into law in May.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh please lets get real here. GS made money on every trade last q except 1 day. GS has been selling a &#8220;product&#8221; to customers while knowing that it was a defective product that was going to blow up in the near future.</p>
<p>Now on the first point it is next to impossible to get that kind of success without gaming the system. A government that is not own by these firms would be investigating them &#8211; Do you see any AG doing that?</p>
<p>On the second point the equivalent would be a pharmaceutical company selling a drug knowing that it has a %100 chance of destroying a patients liver because they also sell livers on the side. This is enough to land the execs. at that company in jail. Do you see that happening in any of the big financial firms?</p>
<p>So to summarize they can pass as many laws and regulations as they want because they will not be enforced just like the old ones were not enforced.</p>
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		<title>By: Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The government can do no good crowd is also against this. The ditto heads are being told that this is an assault on them, that they will suffer as those lower on the economic totem pole benefit. The line of thought is that they will have less credit etc. and be losers if this passes. Of course this is the same line of thought that says it was the government, though legislation,  that forced the banksters to lend money to the same people. Amazing what one &#039;learns&#039; from the radio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The government can do no good crowd is also against this. The ditto heads are being told that this is an assault on them, that they will suffer as those lower on the economic totem pole benefit. The line of thought is that they will have less credit etc. and be losers if this passes. Of course this is the same line of thought that says it was the government, though legislation,  that forced the banksters to lend money to the same people. Amazing what one &#8216;learns&#8217; from the radio.</p>
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		<title>By: dblwyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>dblwyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>danm - love the Easter Island analogy and think it&#039;s exactly right. You probably know that Diamond used it as one of his examples in &quot;Collapse&quot;? The point being that the chiefs on the island got into a power competition involving celebrating how big their &quot;things&quot; were (puns intended), didn&#039;t have to go hungry, forced the denuding of the island and destroyed the ecology. When an elite sacrifices the long-term welfare of their social ecology for their own immediate gratification you have a recipe for socionomic collapse. Which is Diamond&#039;s central finding.

The Finance Industry has put financial engineering and loading up everybody with debt and the resultant profits and bonuses ahead of the welfare of society. The correctives on the table wouldn&#039;t be as good as socially responsible self-governance but are sure better than social collapse, which is what we almost had. And the last two quarters where bank profits are entirely based on trading profits using our money pretty prove the case that scorpions don&#039;t change their nature, even if they&#039;re going to drown.

For the backup business case behind that assessment you might want to take a look at this:
http://llinlithgow.com/PtW/2009/10/the_chinese_goldsmith_finance.html or this:
http://llinlithgow.com/PtW/2009/10/banks_hate_banks_voters_hate_b.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>danm &#8211; love the Easter Island analogy and think it&#8217;s exactly right. You probably know that Diamond used it as one of his examples in &#8220;Collapse&#8221;? The point being that the chiefs on the island got into a power competition involving celebrating how big their &#8220;things&#8221; were (puns intended), didn&#8217;t have to go hungry, forced the denuding of the island and destroyed the ecology. When an elite sacrifices the long-term welfare of their social ecology for their own immediate gratification you have a recipe for socionomic collapse. Which is Diamond&#8217;s central finding.</p>
<p>The Finance Industry has put financial engineering and loading up everybody with debt and the resultant profits and bonuses ahead of the welfare of society. The correctives on the table wouldn&#8217;t be as good as socially responsible self-governance but are sure better than social collapse, which is what we almost had. And the last two quarters where bank profits are entirely based on trading profits using our money pretty prove the case that scorpions don&#8217;t change their nature, even if they&#8217;re going to drown.</p>
<p>For the backup business case behind that assessment you might want to take a look at this:<br />
<a href="http://llinlithgow.com/PtW/2009/10/the_chinese_goldsmith_finance.html" rel="nofollow">http://llinlithgow.com/PtW/2009/10/the_chinese_goldsmith_finance.html</a> or this:<br />
<a href="http://llinlithgow.com/PtW/2009/10/banks_hate_banks_voters_hate_b.html" rel="nofollow">http://llinlithgow.com/PtW/2009/10/banks_hate_banks_voters_hate_b.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: willid3</title>
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		<dc:creator>willid3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>considering that banks are against it. and wall street is against it. and how well those two groups treat the rest of us. and what how they created this mess. thats at least 2 things in favor of this for any body!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>considering that banks are against it. and wall street is against it. and how well those two groups treat the rest of us. and what how they created this mess. thats at least 2 things in favor of this for any body!</p>
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