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		<title>By: links for 2009-11-02 &#124; TheTradingReport</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231565</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-11-02 &#124; TheTradingReport</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Barry Ritholtz: Jesse Livermore&#8217;s Seven Trading Lessons [...]</description>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231321</link>
		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nah, i like to hypothecate some currency into my bank accounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nah, i like to hypothecate some currency into my bank accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231314</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hue, if you start with the Art side of it, it may become clearer, see http://www.phidelity.com/blog/fractal/pythagoras-tree/
http://www.davesabine.com/eMedia/Fractals/tabid/146/Default.aspx
http://classes.yale.edu/fractals/

btw, w/this: &quot;arm chair central banker&quot;, does that include being able to hypothecate Currency from thin-air?
( ;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hue, if you start with the Art side of it, it may become clearer, see <a href="http://www.phidelity.com/blog/fractal/pythagoras-tree/" rel="nofollow">http://www.phidelity.com/blog/fractal/pythagoras-tree/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.davesabine.com/eMedia/Fractals/tabid/146/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.davesabine.com/eMedia/Fractals/tabid/146/Default.aspx</a><br />
<a href="http://classes.yale.edu/fractals/" rel="nofollow">http://classes.yale.edu/fractals/</a></p>
<p>btw, w/this: &#8220;arm chair central banker&#8221;, does that include being able to hypothecate Currency from thin-air?<br />
( ;</p>
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		<title>By: youcontroltheink</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231293</link>
		<dc:creator>youcontroltheink</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahab:  11:15am Spot on. 

it could be all edited down to one rule-
“control your emotions”

How could that be said any better? 

Bows to Ahab and his cursed wale.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahab:  11:15am Spot on. </p>
<p>it could be all edited down to one rule-<br />
“control your emotions”</p>
<p>How could that be said any better? </p>
<p>Bows to Ahab and his cursed wale.</p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231267</link>
		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MEM, thanks.  objects in motion, stay in motion.  but i have to admit fractal geo, econ is above my pay grade. i&#039;m struggling with just being an arm chair central banker and old fashion economist (if there is such an animal.) too many metrics to grasp these days to trade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MEM, thanks.  objects in motion, stay in motion.  but i have to admit fractal geo, econ is above my pay grade. i&#8217;m struggling with just being an arm chair central banker and old fashion economist (if there is such an animal.) too many metrics to grasp these days to trade.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E Hoffer</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231262</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E Hoffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hue, 

this: &quot;the best lesson is knowing when not to trade, to sit and watch, the hardest lesson of all.&quot;
might be the wisest thing I&#039;ve /heard/ from you..

w/that, remember &quot;Trends remain, until they don&#039;t.&quot;

or, differently, &quot;Fractal saturation can be a Big B..&quot;
as intro. http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&amp;v%3Asources=webplus&amp;query=Benoit+Mandelbrot+Fractal+Economics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hue, </p>
<p>this: &#8220;the best lesson is knowing when not to trade, to sit and watch, the hardest lesson of all.&#8221;<br />
might be the wisest thing I&#8217;ve /heard/ from you..</p>
<p>w/that, remember &#8220;Trends remain, until they don&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>or, differently, &#8220;Fractal saturation can be a Big B..&#8221;<br />
as intro. <a href="http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&#038;v%3Asources=webplus&#038;query=Benoit+Mandelbrot+Fractal+Economics" rel="nofollow">http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&#038;v%3Asources=webplus&#038;query=Benoit+Mandelbrot+Fractal+Economics</a></p>
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		<title>By: chartsandcoffee</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231259</link>
		<dc:creator>chartsandcoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 22:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is trading is a little more sophisticated than rules of thumb.

For example, on rule #1 I agree with the premise of the rule. But different markets require setting stops differently. For example, in a trending market, tight stops work and cutting quickly is a good formula. In sideways markets, stops need to be more flexible or you get hacked to death. 

I love buying 52 week highs. But, the caveat is that this works when the market is in bull mode (above 50 and 200 day averages might be an objective standard). When things start getting soft, a lot of these 52 week highs fail at a very high rate (like now).

So yes, generally good rules. But some flexibility is required.

CC

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is trading is a little more sophisticated than rules of thumb.</p>
<p>For example, on rule #1 I agree with the premise of the rule. But different markets require setting stops differently. For example, in a trending market, tight stops work and cutting quickly is a good formula. In sideways markets, stops need to be more flexible or you get hacked to death. </p>
<p>I love buying 52 week highs. But, the caveat is that this works when the market is in bull mode (above 50 and 200 day averages might be an objective standard). When things start getting soft, a lot of these 52 week highs fail at a very high rate (like now).</p>
<p>So yes, generally good rules. But some flexibility is required.</p>
<p>CC</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chartsandcoffee.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chartsandcoffee.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231253</link>
		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i never claimed to know why Jesse offed himself. Smitten in his research could not find much details about his trading activities in the 30s.  but it can&#039;t be good on your psyche when you lost your millions for the nth time, especially after nailing the 29th crash, whether you&#039;re bipolar or manic depressive or not. 

i don&#039;t think Livermore was like a Soros. but he could spot trends and understood market dynamics.  like if he had a huge position in Piggly Wiggly at 50 and needed to unload.  he would use a little money to buy driving the stock up the 60, then started selling.  suckers jump in to buy thinking they got a bargain, buying it all the way down.   if he just dumped his position at 50, he would not have been able to sell it at 50. hedgies do that today. nothing is new. 

he was so good at trading when he was young that many of the bucket shops back then wouldn&#039;t let him trade, once they recognized him.

Lesson 3, about market leaders, he said you only trade the leaders, like Cisco and Intel during the Nasdaq&#039;s run.  he would probably say that this market is not a bull, since the new leaders cannot be the old leaders.  the best lesson is knowing when not to trade, to sit and watch, the hardest lesson of all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i never claimed to know why Jesse offed himself. Smitten in his research could not find much details about his trading activities in the 30s.  but it can&#8217;t be good on your psyche when you lost your millions for the nth time, especially after nailing the 29th crash, whether you&#8217;re bipolar or manic depressive or not. </p>
<p>i don&#8217;t think Livermore was like a Soros. but he could spot trends and understood market dynamics.  like if he had a huge position in Piggly Wiggly at 50 and needed to unload.  he would use a little money to buy driving the stock up the 60, then started selling.  suckers jump in to buy thinking they got a bargain, buying it all the way down.   if he just dumped his position at 50, he would not have been able to sell it at 50. hedgies do that today. nothing is new. </p>
<p>he was so good at trading when he was young that many of the bucket shops back then wouldn&#8217;t let him trade, once they recognized him.</p>
<p>Lesson 3, about market leaders, he said you only trade the leaders, like Cisco and Intel during the Nasdaq&#8217;s run.  he would probably say that this market is not a bull, since the new leaders cannot be the old leaders.  the best lesson is knowing when not to trade, to sit and watch, the hardest lesson of all.</p>
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		<title>By: jus7tme</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231248</link>
		<dc:creator>jus7tme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure  these rules apply for  the small-time speculator. 

Was Livermore not a big-time speculator that actually moved the market himself with his trades?
If you have enough funds to do that, then the rules may apply to some extent. Also, you need a compliant general public that is prone to momentum speculation to follow you along. Do you have that righrt now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure  these rules apply for  the small-time speculator. </p>
<p>Was Livermore not a big-time speculator that actually moved the market himself with his trades?<br />
If you have enough funds to do that, then the rules may apply to some extent. Also, you need a compliant general public that is prone to momentum speculation to follow you along. Do you have that righrt now?</p>
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		<title>By: ZackAttack</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/livermores-seven-trading-lessons/comment-page-1/#comment-231242</link>
		<dc:creator>ZackAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bipolar + good cash management would be a rare combination in the world. 

My experience, even medicated bipolars have impulse control issues. Unmedicated ones are unmanageable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bipolar + good cash management would be a rare combination in the world. </p>
<p>My experience, even medicated bipolars have impulse control issues. Unmedicated ones are unmanageable.</p>
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