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		<title>By: michaeld</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/more-on-chinas-faux-gdp-data/comment-page-1/#comment-236293</link>
		<dc:creator>michaeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google is an amazing company. Itg has grown a lot and will continue doing so, as long as innovation is encouraged.

Many companies can learn from Google&#039;s model.

http://invetrics.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google is an amazing company. Itg has grown a lot and will continue doing so, as long as innovation is encouraged.</p>
<p>Many companies can learn from Google&#8217;s model.</p>
<p><a href="http://invetrics.com" rel="nofollow">http://invetrics.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: michaeld</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/more-on-chinas-faux-gdp-data/comment-page-1/#comment-236292</link>
		<dc:creator>michaeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If China can grow at 9-10% per year, so can the US. This is the only way to get out of the current mess.

The Fed must pursue maximum and vigorous economic growth at all costs. That will be the only chnace o solve the unemployment problem as well.

admin
ttp://invetrics.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If China can grow at 9-10% per year, so can the US. This is the only way to get out of the current mess.</p>
<p>The Fed must pursue maximum and vigorous economic growth at all costs. That will be the only chnace o solve the unemployment problem as well.</p>
<p>admin<br />
ttp://invetrics.com</p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
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		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i only know of friends who have relatives who were missionaries in China. their kids are of college age, so they just moved back to the US, can&#039;t go to college there. the kids are astounded at the consumption in the US.  no way the Chinese will be able to consume all the products they manufacture for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i only know of friends who have relatives who were missionaries in China. their kids are of college age, so they just moved back to the US, can&#8217;t go to college there. the kids are astounded at the consumption in the US.  no way the Chinese will be able to consume all the products they manufacture for us.</p>
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		<title>By: patfla</title>
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		<dc:creator>patfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s interesting (how China counts its GDP).  I think just the other day I read the following from an expat in China on a nytimes blog.

I mean, I save the url, but url&#039;s expire and so I coped down the bit I thought most interesting:

[name and location omitted, but an expat living in Shanghai]

I wonder why Mr. Ross chose to overlook China&#039;s immense internal
deficiencies when he contributed his analysis of Chimerica. I
live right down the street from the university he teaches at,
Jiao Tong, and I as someone intensely interested in the Chinese
economy and a voracious consumer of information regarding that
subject I must disagree with much of what he said.

Yes, the Chinese economy was better positioned to weather the
financial storm - largely because it&#039;s banks were strong and
solvent, having purged themselves of most of their bad loans over
the preceding decade. The banks - rather than the stimulus - have
been the driver of China&#039;s GDP growth over the past year, doling
out trillions of rmb, much of which went to the construction of
as-of-now useless factories and apartment blocks or ended up
inflating the stock and real estate bubbles. So the banks have in
effect mired themselves back in a position of weakness, as much
of their lending they will never see again. From my office now I
can gaze out at a massive new edifice of glass and concrete that
was landscaped 6 months ago, yet has never been used. Who takes
the loss on this building? The banks, though China will claim the
GDP boost now and sort out the detritus later.

So much of the GDP here is smoke and mirrors, artificially pumped
up by constructing buildings that remain empty, or fleets of cars
that sit idle in car parks so that the leadership can brag that
they sold more cars than America. A strange feature of Chinese
GDP calculation (and retail sale calculation) is that it counts
toward GDP when it is sold from the factory to the business, not
from the business to the consumer. So many here think that the
government and SOEs have been hoarding goods in warehouses and
claiming the GDP boost.

China will have to deal with their profligate ways, just as
America and Japan have had to deal with theirs. China, despite
decades of close partnership with foreign companies, has been
largely unsuccessful in creating their own brand or developing
innovative products - even something like the Iphone, famously
made by FoxComm in Shenzhen, is merely assembled there, with the
high-tech parts shipped in from Japan, Korea and Taiwan.

China better enjoy its brief moment in the sun as the recognized
economic leader, because soon enough the growth rates will come
down (easy money and excess goods can only mask the internal
problems for so long), and she have to settle for more pedestrian
growth and all the unique problems this entails for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s interesting (how China counts its GDP).  I think just the other day I read the following from an expat in China on a nytimes blog.</p>
<p>I mean, I save the url, but url&#8217;s expire and so I coped down the bit I thought most interesting:</p>
<p>[name and location omitted, but an expat living in Shanghai]</p>
<p>I wonder why Mr. Ross chose to overlook China&#8217;s immense internal<br />
deficiencies when he contributed his analysis of Chimerica. I<br />
live right down the street from the university he teaches at,<br />
Jiao Tong, and I as someone intensely interested in the Chinese<br />
economy and a voracious consumer of information regarding that<br />
subject I must disagree with much of what he said.</p>
<p>Yes, the Chinese economy was better positioned to weather the<br />
financial storm &#8211; largely because it&#8217;s banks were strong and<br />
solvent, having purged themselves of most of their bad loans over<br />
the preceding decade. The banks &#8211; rather than the stimulus &#8211; have<br />
been the driver of China&#8217;s GDP growth over the past year, doling<br />
out trillions of rmb, much of which went to the construction of<br />
as-of-now useless factories and apartment blocks or ended up<br />
inflating the stock and real estate bubbles. So the banks have in<br />
effect mired themselves back in a position of weakness, as much<br />
of their lending they will never see again. From my office now I<br />
can gaze out at a massive new edifice of glass and concrete that<br />
was landscaped 6 months ago, yet has never been used. Who takes<br />
the loss on this building? The banks, though China will claim the<br />
GDP boost now and sort out the detritus later.</p>
<p>So much of the GDP here is smoke and mirrors, artificially pumped<br />
up by constructing buildings that remain empty, or fleets of cars<br />
that sit idle in car parks so that the leadership can brag that<br />
they sold more cars than America. A strange feature of Chinese<br />
GDP calculation (and retail sale calculation) is that it counts<br />
toward GDP when it is sold from the factory to the business, not<br />
from the business to the consumer. So many here think that the<br />
government and SOEs have been hoarding goods in warehouses and<br />
claiming the GDP boost.</p>
<p>China will have to deal with their profligate ways, just as<br />
America and Japan have had to deal with theirs. China, despite<br />
decades of close partnership with foreign companies, has been<br />
largely unsuccessful in creating their own brand or developing<br />
innovative products &#8211; even something like the Iphone, famously<br />
made by FoxComm in Shenzhen, is merely assembled there, with the<br />
high-tech parts shipped in from Japan, Korea and Taiwan.</p>
<p>China better enjoy its brief moment in the sun as the recognized<br />
economic leader, because soon enough the growth rates will come<br />
down (easy money and excess goods can only mask the internal<br />
problems for so long), and she have to settle for more pedestrian<br />
growth and all the unique problems this entails for her.</p>
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		<title>By: flipspiceland</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/more-on-chinas-faux-gdp-data/comment-page-1/#comment-236098</link>
		<dc:creator>flipspiceland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does everyone here think that Jim Rodgers is completely insane to move to China with his entire family, having written off the United States&#039; growth prospects/vs China&#039;s?

Doesn&#039;t anyone think China with its atuocratic government, will run rings ar0und every nation in the world just thru the ability to avoid the gridlock that passes for government in a republic with a diverse population of 400,000,000 with a democratic form of government that has been sabotaged by lobbyists, and lawyers?

Has anyone here actually been to China to see what is goin on in that country?

Who here, including BR has seen China, spent time there in the last 10 years?


Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does everyone here think that Jim Rodgers is completely insane to move to China with his entire family, having written off the United States&#8217; growth prospects/vs China&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t anyone think China with its atuocratic government, will run rings ar0und every nation in the world just thru the ability to avoid the gridlock that passes for government in a republic with a diverse population of 400,000,000 with a democratic form of government that has been sabotaged by lobbyists, and lawyers?</p>
<p>Has anyone here actually been to China to see what is goin on in that country?</p>
<p>Who here, including BR has seen China, spent time there in the last 10 years?</p>
<p>Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Cash is probably becoming more valuable - Steve Cook on Disciplined Investing - InvestorsInsight.com &#124; Financial Intelligence, Advice &#38; Research / Investment Strategies &#38; Planning for Individual Investors.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cash is probably becoming more valuable - Steve Cook on Disciplined Investing - InvestorsInsight.com &#124; Financial Intelligence, Advice &#38; Research / Investment Strategies &#38; Planning for Individual Investors.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#160;&#160;&#160; Signs of poor economic data coming out of China (short):&#160;&#160;&#160; http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/more-on-chinas-faux-gdp-data/&#160;&#160;&#160; The Fed just keeps on pumping (medium, must read):&#160;&#160;&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Signs of poor economic data coming out of China (short):&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/more-on-chinas-faux-gdp-data/&nbsp;&nbsp;&#038;nbsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/more-on-chinas-faux-gdp-data/&nbsp;&nbsp;&#038;nbsp</a>; The Fed just keeps on pumping (medium, must read):&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: mdod</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what sinomania Says @ November 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm... 

I read Chang&#039;s book around &#039;02.  He clearly knows something of China.  He also clearly has an ax to grind, and ignored the vast amounts of investment China has made in infrastructure/factories... and since then, energy.

This post by Chang reads to me like he&#039;s just scattershot making stuff up.  Maybe he&#039;s auditioning for Fox News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what sinomania Says @ November 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm&#8230; </p>
<p>I read Chang&#8217;s book around &#8217;02.  He clearly knows something of China.  He also clearly has an ax to grind, and ignored the vast amounts of investment China has made in infrastructure/factories&#8230; and since then, energy.</p>
<p>This post by Chang reads to me like he&#8217;s just scattershot making stuff up.  Maybe he&#8217;s auditioning for Fox News.</p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
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		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China and Madoff have the same accountants.  China built its capacity based on US consumption, which was overstated due to excessive credit and debt.   I guess those factories will still churn out goods to put in the trunks of those car fleets in parking lots.   http://bit.ly/2CEKui http://bit.ly/WsRCk (video via nemo over at CR)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China and Madoff have the same accountants.  China built its capacity based on US consumption, which was overstated due to excessive credit and debt.   I guess those factories will still churn out goods to put in the trunks of those car fleets in parking lots.   <a href="http://bit.ly/2CEKui" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2CEKui</a> <a href="http://bit.ly/WsRCk" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/WsRCk</a> (video via nemo over at CR)</p>
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		<title>By: august</title>
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		<dc:creator>august</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, you call Chang an china expert? you should first check his credit among other china experts or anyone who has some familarity with china. Chang is a junk. anyone investing using Chang&#039;s judgement is doomed bandrupt, as Chang himself is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, you call Chang an china expert? you should first check his credit among other china experts or anyone who has some familarity with china. Chang is a junk. anyone investing using Chang&#8217;s judgement is doomed bandrupt, as Chang himself is.</p>
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