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	<title>Comments on: Senate Bill Would Break-Up TBTF Banks</title>
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		<title>By: Joe S. Pack</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233547</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe S. Pack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TBTF...

Too Big To Fix

Cheeze Louize, I&#039;m sick of these guys.
Banks and Politicians, putin&#039; it to the peeps. 
We are sluts, and we are screwed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TBTF&#8230;</p>
<p>Too Big To Fix</p>
<p>Cheeze Louize, I&#8217;m sick of these guys.<br />
Banks and Politicians, putin&#8217; it to the peeps.<br />
We are sluts, and we are screwed.</p>
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		<title>By: JasRas</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233516</link>
		<dc:creator>JasRas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Break them up into small bits.  Big banks are still run by men with small minds, just like small banks, so don&#039;t let them get big because screw up are always going to come.  It did work fairly well for 50 years though.

The only caveat would be to remember, a bunch of small banks would have sold their mortgages to Wall Street too, which would have then securitized them and still have done the same thing.  The weakness is in the human greed.  The weakness is in lack of oversight.  The weakness is in hollowed out government agencies b/c who needs them in an Ayn Rand world?  

There were many pieces to this broken puzzle.  Smaller banks would be a good start.  Flushing all the Greenspan, and Ayn Rand cult out of career D.C. positions would be another.  Glass-Steagel type law reintro another.

Oh, and if you can&#039;t wait for someone to solve this one...take action on your own.  Chances are you are banking with one of the &quot;big ones&quot;... Take some time and move your banking relationship to a smaller local bank.  You can type all you want, but money/deposits talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Break them up into small bits.  Big banks are still run by men with small minds, just like small banks, so don&#8217;t let them get big because screw up are always going to come.  It did work fairly well for 50 years though.</p>
<p>The only caveat would be to remember, a bunch of small banks would have sold their mortgages to Wall Street too, which would have then securitized them and still have done the same thing.  The weakness is in the human greed.  The weakness is in lack of oversight.  The weakness is in hollowed out government agencies b/c who needs them in an Ayn Rand world?  </p>
<p>There were many pieces to this broken puzzle.  Smaller banks would be a good start.  Flushing all the Greenspan, and Ayn Rand cult out of career D.C. positions would be another.  Glass-Steagel type law reintro another.</p>
<p>Oh, and if you can&#8217;t wait for someone to solve this one&#8230;take action on your own.  Chances are you are banking with one of the &#8220;big ones&#8221;&#8230; Take some time and move your banking relationship to a smaller local bank.  You can type all you want, but money/deposits talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233515</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at 9:32pm - I didn&#039;t spend many bytes backing up my point .. my observation of M&amp;As between semi-super-corps the action is about (lets put a hot name in here for stories sake / chessymac &amp; cremeeggs *) removing a slightly lesser organization of competition and in doing so looking more super for pulling the deed off 
.. and the prices of both stocks start moving giving a segment of the herd 4 possible plays ( ^^ - vv - ^v - v^ ) (observant types in this unbelievable system we have can/will pull off some plays) juice (thats another story &quot;turn those machines back on&quot;)
.. but invaribly when the play doesn&#039;t go totally in favor of both - the new VCs of the M&amp;Ad - cut labor - close factories .. many times that is all in the strategy to pay for the play .. the number crunchers (all in a days pay) figure in profits &amp; losses so taxes that would have been paidout** are now losses or breakeven - and another TBTFight is not given any strength ie The Big Gov .... I could remind TBPers of another play in here (beavers and dams / but to many story lines open)

.. beyond all that above (&amp; having both the * wiki pages open and breezed)(which I will not post because we&#039;re talking TBP here) my mind is reeling with commonfolk and governments and this cabal and that cabal and false flag operations and plain old greed &amp; need
..
and that is why I dislike this system of allowing the big fish to eat the smaller fish (is this the cannibal thread) .. job losses - less taxes paid - empty factories - empty factory towns - price fixing - more power to control The Big G ..... sounds like our real ocean .. we need balance not uncontrolled greed
.. when/what - corporate organization large enough to produce product on a mass scale for a good price while heeding the need of the community it grew up in .. and small enough to enforce caring for the environment (nature) (like the saying I heard here at TBP - &quot;when you owe the bank $10K its your problem - when you owe the bank $10B its the banks problem&quot;

* sounds good don&#039;t it ... you got peanut butter on my chocolate / no you got chocolate on my peanut butter
** another coda point - are dividends out performing? or is most growth these days in stock price alone</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at 9:32pm &#8211; I didn&#8217;t spend many bytes backing up my point .. my observation of M&amp;As between semi-super-corps the action is about (lets put a hot name in here for stories sake / chessymac &amp; cremeeggs *) removing a slightly lesser organization of competition and in doing so looking more super for pulling the deed off<br />
.. and the prices of both stocks start moving giving a segment of the herd 4 possible plays ( ^^ &#8211; vv &#8211; ^v &#8211; v^ ) (observant types in this unbelievable system we have can/will pull off some plays) juice (thats another story &#8220;turn those machines back on&#8221;)<br />
.. but invaribly when the play doesn&#8217;t go totally in favor of both &#8211; the new VCs of the M&amp;Ad &#8211; cut labor &#8211; close factories .. many times that is all in the strategy to pay for the play .. the number crunchers (all in a days pay) figure in profits &amp; losses so taxes that would have been paidout** are now losses or breakeven &#8211; and another TBTFight is not given any strength ie The Big Gov &#8230;. I could remind TBPers of another play in here (beavers and dams / but to many story lines open)</p>
<p>.. beyond all that above (&amp; having both the * wiki pages open and breezed)(which I will not post because we&#8217;re talking TBP here) my mind is reeling with commonfolk and governments and this cabal and that cabal and false flag operations and plain old greed &amp; need<br />
..<br />
and that is why I dislike this system of allowing the big fish to eat the smaller fish (is this the cannibal thread) .. job losses &#8211; less taxes paid &#8211; empty factories &#8211; empty factory towns &#8211; price fixing &#8211; more power to control The Big G &#8230;.. sounds like our real ocean .. we need balance not uncontrolled greed<br />
.. when/what &#8211; corporate organization large enough to produce product on a mass scale for a good price while heeding the need of the community it grew up in .. and small enough to enforce caring for the environment (nature) (like the saying I heard here at TBP &#8211; &#8220;when you owe the bank $10K its your problem &#8211; when you owe the bank $10B its the banks problem&#8221;</p>
<p>* sounds good don&#8217;t it &#8230; you got peanut butter on my chocolate / no you got chocolate on my peanut butter<br />
** another coda point &#8211; are dividends out performing? or is most growth these days in stock price alone</p>
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		<title>By: 1Eco</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233514</link>
		<dc:creator>1Eco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s 88 page Whitepaper dealing with Bank Holding Companies. http://bit.ly/2dRk8w
First things first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#8217;s 88 page Whitepaper dealing with Bank Holding Companies. <a href="http://bit.ly/2dRk8w" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2dRk8w</a><br />
First things first.</p>
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		<title>By: van schaik</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233498</link>
		<dc:creator>van schaik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too Big To Fail, as defined by any central government, seems to have far more in common with fascism than free enterprise and classic capitalism. To help those at the bottom who fail is humane; to help those at the top who fail is inane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too Big To Fail, as defined by any central government, seems to have far more in common with fascism than free enterprise and classic capitalism. To help those at the bottom who fail is humane; to help those at the top who fail is inane.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg0658</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233492</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg0658</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you all agree with me in supporting breaking up of the other TBTFight INDUSTRIES
... if we&#039;re all going to gang up on the banks .. after the super-banks;
the super-retailers; the super-insurances; the super-medias; and the super-manufacturer conglomerates

the desire/need/greed to &quot;be the only super-one&quot; .. is not in any consumers best interest ... and those other teams attempting to play in the world series ... competition is good ... greed and cap&#039;ism rules not so good</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you all agree with me in supporting breaking up of the other TBTFight INDUSTRIES<br />
&#8230; if we&#8217;re all going to gang up on the banks .. after the super-banks;<br />
the super-retailers; the super-insurances; the super-medias; and the super-manufacturer conglomerates</p>
<p>the desire/need/greed to &#8220;be the only super-one&#8221; .. is not in any consumers best interest &#8230; and those other teams attempting to play in the world series &#8230; competition is good &#8230; greed and cap&#8217;ism rules not so good</p>
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		<title>By: sparrowsfall</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233490</link>
		<dc:creator>sparrowsfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 02:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wrote to both my senators telling them to get all over this one.

Get on it, folks. Send letters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wrote to both my senators telling them to get all over this one.</p>
<p>Get on it, folks. Send letters.</p>
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		<title>By: johnbougearel</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-2/#comment-233481</link>
		<dc:creator>johnbougearel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me politiely say that Kanjorski might be being more than a bit disingenous here. This is the same guy that throttled the FASB&#039;s throat to change FV accounting for Q1 09 earnings so all the big banks did not have take any writedowns, and could go back to mark to make believe. 

Secondly, we know that the big banks are too tightly coupled and interconnected to break up these banks. Lawmakers might be better served shrinking the size of the OTC debt and derivatives markets. Make those markets smaller, and the banks themselves would shrink to a size that would not be TBTF or TOO DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE TDTR

Sanders I do not know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me politiely say that Kanjorski might be being more than a bit disingenous here. This is the same guy that throttled the FASB&#8217;s throat to change FV accounting for Q1 09 earnings so all the big banks did not have take any writedowns, and could go back to mark to make believe. </p>
<p>Secondly, we know that the big banks are too tightly coupled and interconnected to break up these banks. Lawmakers might be better served shrinking the size of the OTC debt and derivatives markets. Make those markets smaller, and the banks themselves would shrink to a size that would not be TBTF or TOO DIFFICULT TO RESOLVE TDTR</p>
<p>Sanders I do not know</p>
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		<title>By: BG</title>
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		<dc:creator>BG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GO BERNIE!!!

It will take nothing less than this to ever regain my confidence in our financial system and our sense of what is right and wrong in this Country. Stealing from future generations is down right unethical and this crowd does not even flinch when it does it. How low must one be to shamelessly steal from their own children?

They are all thieves who are playing by a different set of rules; which, I still don&#039;t understand why that is the case. Fiduciary responsibility? What a fucking joke!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GO BERNIE!!!</p>
<p>It will take nothing less than this to ever regain my confidence in our financial system and our sense of what is right and wrong in this Country. Stealing from future generations is down right unethical and this crowd does not even flinch when it does it. How low must one be to shamelessly steal from their own children?</p>
<p>They are all thieves who are playing by a different set of rules; which, I still don&#8217;t understand why that is the case. Fiduciary responsibility? What a fucking joke!!</p>
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		<title>By: chartsandcoffee</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/senate-bill-would-break-up-tbtf-banks/comment-page-1/#comment-233459</link>
		<dc:creator>chartsandcoffee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote over the weekend that this was a great chance for the politicians to pass a very important bipartisan piece of legislation. On what other issue can folks from The Big Picture and Huffington Post agree?

I want to know what the arguments are for having institutions that are too big to fail. What are the benefits? And if there are benefits, do those benefits outweigh the hazards?

I said it on Saturday. I think the XLF will look much different in a few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote over the weekend that this was a great chance for the politicians to pass a very important bipartisan piece of legislation. On what other issue can folks from The Big Picture and Huffington Post agree?</p>
<p>I want to know what the arguments are for having institutions that are too big to fail. What are the benefits? And if there are benefits, do those benefits outweigh the hazards?</p>
<p>I said it on Saturday. I think the XLF will look much different in a few years.</p>
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