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	<title>Comments on: The Federal Reserve’s Lame Attempt To Defend Itself Against Bubble Creation</title>
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		<title>By: djackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>djackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
After almost 30 years of dealing with bond salesmen, I definitely understand the concept of a shill.  Having said that, he unfortunately has the status which enables him to use legitimate platforms such as the FT to spread his opinion.  I personally believe it is more effective to dissect his case and show it to be empty of content than merely call him a shill.  We have a better chance of gaining converts that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
After almost 30 years of dealing with bond salesmen, I definitely understand the concept of a shill.  Having said that, he unfortunately has the status which enables him to use legitimate platforms such as the FT to spread his opinion.  I personally believe it is more effective to dissect his case and show it to be empty of content than merely call him a shill.  We have a better chance of gaining converts that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Bianco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Bianco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJackson

Nice breakdown of Mishkin&#039;s piece.  But, you give him far too much credit.  First more background on the professor.

Mishkin was an advisor to Ireland where the banking system fared the worst.  In May 2006 he penned a piece fo the Iceland Chamber of Commerce that was a good road map of how to do everything wrong and make you banking system blow up as much as possible during a financial crisis

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mishkin-iceland-nothing-fed-here-dude

And as I noted above, in January 2007 he argued their was not housing or credit bubble.  Further he said the Fed is incapable of spotting bubbles and if they could, they should not be in the job of pricking them.  Today in the FT he now says it is not only easy to spot a bubble but they can be categorized into various types.

Let me be blunt.  The FT article had no co-author and cited no academic or private sector research.  It sourced no one else.  In other words, he made all this up out of whole cloth, probably in an hour or two a few days ago. 

So, thanks for the reasoned analysis.  But you probably put more thought into your rebuttal than Mishkin but into writing it.  

He is the Fed&#039;s &quot;useful idiot&quot; and will say wahtever he is asked to say.  Therefore, he does not deserve the kind of analysis and respect you afforded him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJackson</p>
<p>Nice breakdown of Mishkin&#8217;s piece.  But, you give him far too much credit.  First more background on the professor.</p>
<p>Mishkin was an advisor to Ireland where the banking system fared the worst.  In May 2006 he penned a piece fo the Iceland Chamber of Commerce that was a good road map of how to do everything wrong and make you banking system blow up as much as possible during a financial crisis</p>
<p><a href="http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mishkin-iceland-nothing-fed-here-dude" rel="nofollow">http://www.zerohedge.com/article/mishkin-iceland-nothing-fed-here-dude</a></p>
<p>And as I noted above, in January 2007 he argued their was not housing or credit bubble.  Further he said the Fed is incapable of spotting bubbles and if they could, they should not be in the job of pricking them.  Today in the FT he now says it is not only easy to spot a bubble but they can be categorized into various types.</p>
<p>Let me be blunt.  The FT article had no co-author and cited no academic or private sector research.  It sourced no one else.  In other words, he made all this up out of whole cloth, probably in an hour or two a few days ago. </p>
<p>So, thanks for the reasoned analysis.  But you probably put more thought into your rebuttal than Mishkin but into writing it.  </p>
<p>He is the Fed&#8217;s &#8220;useful idiot&#8221; and will say wahtever he is asked to say.  Therefore, he does not deserve the kind of analysis and respect you afforded him.</p>
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		<title>By: quiddity</title>
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		<dc:creator>quiddity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find significant about the Mishkin essay is that he wrote it.  Isn&#039;t that basically a signal that the Fed wants a bubble?  And how do savvy traders react to that fact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find significant about the Mishkin essay is that he wrote it.  Isn&#8217;t that basically a signal that the Fed wants a bubble?  And how do savvy traders react to that fact?</p>
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		<title>By: djackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>djackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of lamenting the government&#039;s PR, why not actually break down the logic of the Mishkin opinion piece?  I posted this earlier today in FT Alphaville&#039;s Long Room:

 The FT has an opinion piece by Frederic Mishkin today questioning whether we should be concerned about asset bubbles in the context of current everts.  His conclusion wrt the US and Europe is:  NO.

I disagree and wonder if others perceive his argument as valid.  He appears to set up a false dichotomy, at least false in this instance.  He distinguishes between a bubble generated from multiple credit overlays and one merely arising from &#039;irrational exuberance.&#039;  The former is dangerous because of the knock on effects; the latter not so as knock on effects do not exist or are minimal. 
 
In my mind he seems to be assuming a closed system and a starting point of a &#039;steady state equilibrium.&#039;  If one is in a closed system experiencing an equilibrium, then financial actors gravitating toward an asset class without borrowing must be selling something else to fund their activities.  Prices will realign until there remains no marginal buyer of the appreciating asset at the expense of selling the depreciating asset.  If the misalignment was truly pushed to bubble proportions, we would merely have a realignment of value and wealth with little dislocation when the bubble &#039;bursts.&#039;  The bubble only becomes worrisome if it arose from leverage which, when the bubble bursts, must be dissipated and may form a cascade of descending values as it unwinds.

A steady state equilibrium does not appear to be the current case.  We are operating in what appears to be an overlevered state which is attempting to realign.  Even a benign &#039;irrational exuberance&#039; bubble here may generate knock on effects when it bursts.  Furthermore, to assume the US and Europe are a closed system and thus impervious to bubbles elsewhere, say China, seems extremely nearsighted.  It is not merely the size of the US that caused the worldwide contagion; it is the interconnectedness of the financial and economic systems as well.  Over a decade ago we learned that even seemingly inconsequential economies such as Thailand could exert significant worldwide negative externalities when bubbles burst.  China is not inconsequential, nor are some of the other potential sources of bubbles.  The absence of an equilibrium and existence of ongoing deleveraging would make the impact of a burst leveraged bubble whatever the source seem even more consequential.

Finally, I think Mishkin misses another point.  He believes we cannot be creating a leveraged bubble because we are deleveraging in the US and certain other countries.  This misses the point that much, if not all or more, of the private sector attempt at deleveraging is being counteracted by massive public leveraging.  This leverage in certain instances, think TALF, PPIP, and the Fed buying mortgages is directly countering private deleveraging and leaving the state of the markets far from truly repaired.  More ominous, other bubbles may be created in other areas as some of the government induced liquidity seeks other avenues of return.

In all, I think Mishkin is far too sanguine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of lamenting the government&#8217;s PR, why not actually break down the logic of the Mishkin opinion piece?  I posted this earlier today in FT Alphaville&#8217;s Long Room:</p>
<p> The FT has an opinion piece by Frederic Mishkin today questioning whether we should be concerned about asset bubbles in the context of current everts.  His conclusion wrt the US and Europe is:  NO.</p>
<p>I disagree and wonder if others perceive his argument as valid.  He appears to set up a false dichotomy, at least false in this instance.  He distinguishes between a bubble generated from multiple credit overlays and one merely arising from &#8216;irrational exuberance.&#8217;  The former is dangerous because of the knock on effects; the latter not so as knock on effects do not exist or are minimal. </p>
<p>In my mind he seems to be assuming a closed system and a starting point of a &#8217;steady state equilibrium.&#8217;  If one is in a closed system experiencing an equilibrium, then financial actors gravitating toward an asset class without borrowing must be selling something else to fund their activities.  Prices will realign until there remains no marginal buyer of the appreciating asset at the expense of selling the depreciating asset.  If the misalignment was truly pushed to bubble proportions, we would merely have a realignment of value and wealth with little dislocation when the bubble &#8216;bursts.&#8217;  The bubble only becomes worrisome if it arose from leverage which, when the bubble bursts, must be dissipated and may form a cascade of descending values as it unwinds.</p>
<p>A steady state equilibrium does not appear to be the current case.  We are operating in what appears to be an overlevered state which is attempting to realign.  Even a benign &#8216;irrational exuberance&#8217; bubble here may generate knock on effects when it bursts.  Furthermore, to assume the US and Europe are a closed system and thus impervious to bubbles elsewhere, say China, seems extremely nearsighted.  It is not merely the size of the US that caused the worldwide contagion; it is the interconnectedness of the financial and economic systems as well.  Over a decade ago we learned that even seemingly inconsequential economies such as Thailand could exert significant worldwide negative externalities when bubbles burst.  China is not inconsequential, nor are some of the other potential sources of bubbles.  The absence of an equilibrium and existence of ongoing deleveraging would make the impact of a burst leveraged bubble whatever the source seem even more consequential.</p>
<p>Finally, I think Mishkin misses another point.  He believes we cannot be creating a leveraged bubble because we are deleveraging in the US and certain other countries.  This misses the point that much, if not all or more, of the private sector attempt at deleveraging is being counteracted by massive public leveraging.  This leverage in certain instances, think TALF, PPIP, and the Fed buying mortgages is directly countering private deleveraging and leaving the state of the markets far from truly repaired.  More ominous, other bubbles may be created in other areas as some of the government induced liquidity seeks other avenues of return.</p>
<p>In all, I think Mishkin is far too sanguine.</p>
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		<title>By: Market Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Come On, Fred. You&#8217;re Smarter Than That</title>
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		<dc:creator>Market Talk &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Come On, Fred. You&#8217;re Smarter Than That</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Big Picture, James Bianco calls Mishkin&#8217;s piece &#8220;a lame attempt&#8221; by the Fed &#8220;to defend itself against [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Big Picture, James Bianco calls Mishkin&#8217;s piece &#8220;a lame attempt&#8221; by the Fed &#8220;to defend itself against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: tradeking13</title>
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		<dc:creator>tradeking13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 21:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we just abolish the Fed and let the market set rates?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we just abolish the Fed and let the market set rates?</p>
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		<title>By: call me ahab</title>
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		<dc:creator>call me ahab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the bursting of the tech-stock bubble was not accompanied by a marked deterioration in bank balance sheets.&quot;

well-  i guess as long as the banks are ok-  

that&#039;s all that matters-

all other bubbles-  well . . . who cares- as the bank&#039;s balance sheets aren&#039;t impacted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the bursting of the tech-stock bubble was not accompanied by a marked deterioration in bank balance sheets.&#8221;</p>
<p>well-  i guess as long as the banks are ok-  </p>
<p>that&#8217;s all that matters-</p>
<p>all other bubbles-  well . . . who cares- as the bank&#8217;s balance sheets aren&#8217;t impacted</p>
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		<title>By: jeffshattuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffshattuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What staggers me about Mishkin&#039;s analysis is his ignoring of the link between asset prices and stocks through securitization. Sure, IBM might not be affected much by housing prices, but what all the REITs and other mortgage-based bonds and securities in the world?

I&#039;m troubled.

Jeff
http://www.cerebellumblues.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What staggers me about Mishkin&#8217;s analysis is his ignoring of the link between asset prices and stocks through securitization. Sure, IBM might not be affected much by housing prices, but what all the REITs and other mortgage-based bonds and securities in the world?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m troubled.</p>
<p>Jeff<br />
<a href="http://www.cerebellumblues.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cerebellumblues.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: impermanence</title>
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		<dc:creator>impermanence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very sad missive, but no different from those suggesting that we still enjoy the best health care system in the world, or that there is no problem with our system of higher education, or any of the multitude of institutions turned into cash cows for the administrative elite.  

How pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very sad missive, but no different from those suggesting that we still enjoy the best health care system in the world, or that there is no problem with our system of higher education, or any of the multitude of institutions turned into cash cows for the administrative elite.  </p>
<p>How pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: YY</title>
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		<dc:creator>YY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mishkin op-ed was shameful. 

Claiming that this ongoing bubble is lacking in credit completely ignores the infinite credit provided directly by the Fed and indirectly by driving interest rates to zero by diverting savors money to super risky search for yield.

That a person with such poor intellect and common sense can be a professor and a FED governor is the best indication of the basic disintegration of meritocracy in this country. 

Poor USA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mishkin op-ed was shameful. </p>
<p>Claiming that this ongoing bubble is lacking in credit completely ignores the infinite credit provided directly by the Fed and indirectly by driving interest rates to zero by diverting savors money to super risky search for yield.</p>
<p>That a person with such poor intellect and common sense can be a professor and a FED governor is the best indication of the basic disintegration of meritocracy in this country. </p>
<p>Poor USA.</p>
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