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		<title>By: arthur.i</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/turkey-day-aig-gm-c-fnm-bac/comment-page-1/#comment-237592</link>
		<dc:creator>arthur.i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goldman Sachs big wigs will be getting million dollar bonuses.

You, if you are lucky will be getting Zhu Zhu pets.

Goldman Sachs received 16 billion from the AIG bailout.

You, if you are lucky will see your great grand children pay back the borrowed money for those bailouts.

Goldman Sachs borrows money from the Federal Reserve Bank at near 0% interest.

You, if you are lucky will be able to borrow money for the Zhu Zhu pets at near 30% interest.

Why does Ghoul man Sucks get the goodies and you get a piece of coal?  Because they are doing the work of God and you are just a mere mortal living in their world.  So stop whining and have the decency to be thankful to them for allowing you to play with the mechanical hamsters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goldman Sachs big wigs will be getting million dollar bonuses.</p>
<p>You, if you are lucky will be getting Zhu Zhu pets.</p>
<p>Goldman Sachs received 16 billion from the AIG bailout.</p>
<p>You, if you are lucky will see your great grand children pay back the borrowed money for those bailouts.</p>
<p>Goldman Sachs borrows money from the Federal Reserve Bank at near 0% interest.</p>
<p>You, if you are lucky will be able to borrow money for the Zhu Zhu pets at near 30% interest.</p>
<p>Why does Ghoul man Sucks get the goodies and you get a piece of coal?  Because they are doing the work of God and you are just a mere mortal living in their world.  So stop whining and have the decency to be thankful to them for allowing you to play with the mechanical hamsters.</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/turkey-day-aig-gm-c-fnm-bac/comment-page-1/#comment-237540</link>
		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem with mocking &quot;suddenly&quot;.  

I guess the point I am trying to make is that it is now clear to me why the Gov&#039;t  did not want to release the information on who benefited from the AIG bailout and it is now clear after seeing the list that the entire bail out was most likely done primarily for the benefit of Goldman Sachs.  

Before it had been portrayed that the bail out was done to aid a number of stressed banks and Goldman just happened to benefit by being in the group.

The only other domestic bank to receive a sizable amount of money was Merrill at $6 billion.   Otherwise most of the money $40 billion went to foreign banks.  

Would Paulson have agreed to bail out AIG and foreign banks if Goldman had not been on the list?  Likely No.  

So, did Goldman need this bail out to avoid insolvency?  Most likely yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem with mocking &#8220;suddenly&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I guess the point I am trying to make is that it is now clear to me why the Gov&#8217;t  did not want to release the information on who benefited from the AIG bailout and it is now clear after seeing the list that the entire bail out was most likely done primarily for the benefit of Goldman Sachs.  </p>
<p>Before it had been portrayed that the bail out was done to aid a number of stressed banks and Goldman just happened to benefit by being in the group.</p>
<p>The only other domestic bank to receive a sizable amount of money was Merrill at $6 billion.   Otherwise most of the money $40 billion went to foreign banks.  </p>
<p>Would Paulson have agreed to bail out AIG and foreign banks if Goldman had not been on the list?  Likely No.  </p>
<p>So, did Goldman need this bail out to avoid insolvency?  Most likely yes.</p>
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		<title>By: ArifJAA</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/turkey-day-aig-gm-c-fnm-bac/comment-page-1/#comment-237498</link>
		<dc:creator>ArifJAA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 11:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>?How does this happen?

Money.  Corruption.  Welcome to the New, non-exceptional America.   We have joined the rest of the world.

@bsneath,

&quot;It suddenly seems very clear to me that the entire AIG bail out was done in order to save Goldman Sachs. &quot;

Not mocking, but &quot;suddenly&quot;?     Gangster Sachs heavily staffs the Treasury and Fed.  From Paulson down.  Of course they saved their sponsor.  Welcome to the 3d World. 

We might want to get an honest politician who bucks the system, fights corruption, and wins.  I hate to break it to our urban elites, but right now the one with such a record..well...she hunts Moose, and speaks with a twang.  Sorry.  Enjoy Black Friday.   From the look of the futures indexes it may well be...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>?How does this happen?</p>
<p>Money.  Corruption.  Welcome to the New, non-exceptional America.   We have joined the rest of the world.</p>
<p>@bsneath,</p>
<p>&#8220;It suddenly seems very clear to me that the entire AIG bail out was done in order to save Goldman Sachs. &#8221;</p>
<p>Not mocking, but &#8220;suddenly&#8221;?     Gangster Sachs heavily staffs the Treasury and Fed.  From Paulson down.  Of course they saved their sponsor.  Welcome to the 3d World. </p>
<p>We might want to get an honest politician who bucks the system, fights corruption, and wins.  I hate to break it to our urban elites, but right now the one with such a record..well&#8230;she hunts Moose, and speaks with a twang.  Sorry.  Enjoy Black Friday.   From the look of the futures indexes it may well be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BR:  I will expand on this later, but all of the pieces came together for me today, either an epiphany or a brain f@rt!  

AIG gets bailed out, we are advised that we cannot be told who the beneficiaries are because there could be bank runs, we are told we have a &quot;moral obligation&quot; to assist foreign banks because they bought our toxic debt.  Months later we learn that $40 of the $62 billion in AIG pass through went to foreign banks and $16 of the remaining $22 billion went to Goldman Sachs.  Thus which American bank did they not want us to know was at risk?  Why has Goldman Sachs been so adamant that &quot;the AIG bail out didn&#039;t really matter&quot; when in fact it appears that it very mcuh so did?  What bank most likely would have gone under if the US Govt had not bailed out AIG? 

It suddenly seems very clear to me that the entire AIG bail out was done in order to save Goldman Sachs.  I could be wrong, but I honestly do not think so.  

I would appreciate comments from others on this.  Am I over the top, or does this make sense?

I am also concerned that $300 of the Goldman Sach&#039;s $500 million small business initiative is a contribution to community organizations and thus is a quasi-political contribution to supporters of the Obama Administration in order to &quot;encourage&quot; the Obama Administration to maintain the status quo.  Does anyone else see it this way or am I off track?

I am also worried that the drive to replace Geithner with Dimon is more a concern by the Investment Banks that Geithner is too weak to carry their water rather than  a belief that Dim0n is better prepared to do what is in the best interests of the general public.

With that I am off the net for the rest of Thanksgiving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BR:  I will expand on this later, but all of the pieces came together for me today, either an epiphany or a brain f@rt!  </p>
<p>AIG gets bailed out, we are advised that we cannot be told who the beneficiaries are because there could be bank runs, we are told we have a &#8220;moral obligation&#8221; to assist foreign banks because they bought our toxic debt.  Months later we learn that $40 of the $62 billion in AIG pass through went to foreign banks and $16 of the remaining $22 billion went to Goldman Sachs.  Thus which American bank did they not want us to know was at risk?  Why has Goldman Sachs been so adamant that &#8220;the AIG bail out didn&#8217;t really matter&#8221; when in fact it appears that it very mcuh so did?  What bank most likely would have gone under if the US Govt had not bailed out AIG? </p>
<p>It suddenly seems very clear to me that the entire AIG bail out was done in order to save Goldman Sachs.  I could be wrong, but I honestly do not think so.  </p>
<p>I would appreciate comments from others on this.  Am I over the top, or does this make sense?</p>
<p>I am also concerned that $300 of the Goldman Sach&#8217;s $500 million small business initiative is a contribution to community organizations and thus is a quasi-political contribution to supporters of the Obama Administration in order to &#8220;encourage&#8221; the Obama Administration to maintain the status quo.  Does anyone else see it this way or am I off track?</p>
<p>I am also worried that the drive to replace Geithner with Dimon is more a concern by the Investment Banks that Geithner is too weak to carry their water rather than  a belief that Dim0n is better prepared to do what is in the best interests of the general public.</p>
<p>With that I am off the net for the rest of Thanksgiving.</p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
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		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a black friday on black friday,  if the btp can&#039;t huff and puff 

Kevin Depew expects the dollar to rally from 72, where it will bottom. http://bit.ly/4BvkxB 
i don&#039;t really get DeMark, but pepe depew has been spot on with the crash last fall, and the rally since March using DeMark.  

the dollar will rally if (or when) deflation wins over inflation, or reflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a black friday on black friday,  if the btp can&#8217;t huff and puff </p>
<p>Kevin Depew expects the dollar to rally from 72, where it will bottom. <a href="http://bit.ly/4BvkxB" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/4BvkxB</a><br />
i don&#8217;t really get DeMark, but pepe depew has been spot on with the crash last fall, and the rally since March using DeMark.  </p>
<p>the dollar will rally if (or when) deflation wins over inflation, or reflation.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hue:

Like all visionaries, I was a bit early calling for the dollar rally the last few weeks, due to record long gold speculation on the CFTC reports and plunging demand for physical gold. Per my earlier post, we are in a rolling deflationary debt crash, with some $50 Trillion worldwide that needs to be retired somehow. That will unwind this silly dollar carry trade. The Dubai story will be commonplace. Didn&#039;t check futures...if they are down 20 now and you get some weak initial reports on Black Friday (that heartwarming American holiday), Friday should be interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hue:</p>
<p>Like all visionaries, I was a bit early calling for the dollar rally the last few weeks, due to record long gold speculation on the CFTC reports and plunging demand for physical gold. Per my earlier post, we are in a rolling deflationary debt crash, with some $50 Trillion worldwide that needs to be retired somehow. That will unwind this silly dollar carry trade. The Dubai story will be commonplace. Didn&#8217;t check futures&#8230;if they are down 20 now and you get some weak initial reports on Black Friday (that heartwarming American holiday), Friday should be interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
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		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dollar rally that is.  note to self, read before submit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dollar rally that is.  note to self, read before submit</p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
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		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, you might get your dollar sooner rather than later. 
s&amp;p futs down 20 on dubai. does this mean no more indoor ski slope?  http://bit.ly/5izFMr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, you might get your dollar sooner rather than later.<br />
s&amp;p futs down 20 on dubai. does this mean no more indoor ski slope?  <a href="http://bit.ly/5izFMr" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/5izFMr</a></p>
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		<title>By: hue</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/turkey-day-aig-gm-c-fnm-bac/comment-page-1/#comment-237345</link>
		<dc:creator>hue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fwiw, The World According to Americans was created by Rob Sheridan, an artist who has worked with Nine Inch Nails for 10 years. Hurt is one of his videos,  a rock guy http://bit.ly/8dKXlN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fwiw, The World According to Americans was created by Rob Sheridan, an artist who has worked with Nine Inch Nails for 10 years. Hurt is one of his videos,  a rock guy <a href="http://bit.ly/8dKXlN" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/8dKXlN</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Barry</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/turkey-day-aig-gm-c-fnm-bac/comment-page-1/#comment-237338</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d make one change...label the guy getting chopped &quot;US Taxpayer&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d make one change&#8230;label the guy getting chopped &#8220;US Taxpayer&#8221;</p>
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