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		<title>By: rklau</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-237007</link>
		<dc:creator>rklau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Barry - I&#039;m a product manager on Blogger, and appreciate you raising these issues. 

I&#039;m gathering some data from various groups so I can write a more complete post on the subject - specifically, I am gathering some data on spam 12 and 24 months ago relative to today, as well as gathering specifics on our DMCA approach (including typical turn-around time from receipt to action on our part). I&#039;ll send you a note when that post is up - I hope to have it in place next week.

But in the interim, I&#039;d like to say that we take spam very seriously, and have no incentive to allow it to remain on Blogger. Spam hurts our reputation - among individuals as well as among machines (like Google&#039;s search engine, among others) - which hurts our brand and can negatively impact our business.

Every blog we host includes a &quot;flag blog&quot; button in the navbar, which allows readers to tell us when a blog is violating our content policy; if a blogger has disabled that navbar, we provide a simple form to report here: http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/request.py?page=main_tos. And we have a number of internal algorithms (whose particulars we do not publicize, for obvious reasons) whose purpose is to identify clear cases of spam and remove them from the system.

We revamped our DMCA policy this summer - http://buzz.blogger.com/2009/08/let-music-play.html - and in my regular meetings with our legal/policy teams, enforcement has been quite efficient of late. (Sounds like we didn&#039;t respond in a timely manner on the posts you reported; I&#039;m looking into what happened in that specific case.)

While we can always improve - there remains spam on Blogger - we have dramatically reduced the overall amount of spam on Blogger over the last two years, and significantly curtailed the % of pageviews that we believe are spam. That said, if you have any data indicating that the problem remains particularly virulent on Blogger, by all means let me know about it. We&#039;re committed to getting this right, and will take any external indicia of ongoing problems as useful guides to help benchmark against.

In any event, I&#039;m rklau@google.com, and my blog is at http://tins.rklau.com/. Keep in touch, and let me know what other ideas you have for improvement.

--Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Barry &#8211; I&#8217;m a product manager on Blogger, and appreciate you raising these issues. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m gathering some data from various groups so I can write a more complete post on the subject &#8211; specifically, I am gathering some data on spam 12 and 24 months ago relative to today, as well as gathering specifics on our DMCA approach (including typical turn-around time from receipt to action on our part). I&#8217;ll send you a note when that post is up &#8211; I hope to have it in place next week.</p>
<p>But in the interim, I&#8217;d like to say that we take spam very seriously, and have no incentive to allow it to remain on Blogger. Spam hurts our reputation &#8211; among individuals as well as among machines (like Google&#8217;s search engine, among others) &#8211; which hurts our brand and can negatively impact our business.</p>
<p>Every blog we host includes a &#8220;flag blog&#8221; button in the navbar, which allows readers to tell us when a blog is violating our content policy; if a blogger has disabled that navbar, we provide a simple form to report here: <a href="http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/request.py?page=main_tos" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/request.py?page=main_tos</a>. And we have a number of internal algorithms (whose particulars we do not publicize, for obvious reasons) whose purpose is to identify clear cases of spam and remove them from the system.</p>
<p>We revamped our DMCA policy this summer &#8211; <a href="http://buzz.blogger.com/2009/08/let-music-play.html" rel="nofollow">http://buzz.blogger.com/2009/08/let-music-play.html</a> &#8211; and in my regular meetings with our legal/policy teams, enforcement has been quite efficient of late. (Sounds like we didn&#8217;t respond in a timely manner on the posts you reported; I&#8217;m looking into what happened in that specific case.)</p>
<p>While we can always improve &#8211; there remains spam on Blogger &#8211; we have dramatically reduced the overall amount of spam on Blogger over the last two years, and significantly curtailed the % of pageviews that we believe are spam. That said, if you have any data indicating that the problem remains particularly virulent on Blogger, by all means let me know about it. We&#8217;re committed to getting this right, and will take any external indicia of ongoing problems as useful guides to help benchmark against.</p>
<p>In any event, I&#8217;m <a href="mailto:rklau@google.com">rklau@google.com</a>, and my blog is at <a href="http://tins.rklau.com/" rel="nofollow">http://tins.rklau.com/</a>. Keep in touch, and let me know what other ideas you have for improvement.</p>
<p>&#8211;Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Charleston Real Estate Blog : What kind of websites are these [really]</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-236475</link>
		<dc:creator>Charleston Real Estate Blog : What kind of websites are these [really]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] will also collect your contact information and sell you as a lead back to a real, real estate agent.Barry Ritholtz at The Big Picture addresses the problem and offers a solution.But if Google really wants to get serious about this, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] will also collect your contact information and sell you as a lead back to a real, real estate agent.Barry Ritholtz at The Big Picture addresses the problem and offers a solution.But if Google really wants to get serious about this, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bob G.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-236424</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, I&#039;ve seen you publish ideas from others on your site. For instance, today you linked to an article by Robert Shiller, &quot;What if a Recovery Is All In Your Head,&quot; published in the N. Y. Times.  What&#039;s the difference between this and the splogs you vilify?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, I&#8217;ve seen you publish ideas from others on your site. For instance, today you linked to an article by Robert Shiller, &#8220;What if a Recovery Is All In Your Head,&#8221; published in the N. Y. Times.  What&#8217;s the difference between this and the splogs you vilify?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Ritholtz</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-236386</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Ritholtz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good example of a splog

http://www.theinsidercode.com/forex-trading/2992/friday-night-jazz-ipod’s-guilty-little-pleasures/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good example of a splog</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theinsidercode.com/forex-trading/2992/friday-night-jazz-ipod’s-guilty-little-pleasures/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theinsidercode.com/forex-trading/2992/friday-night-jazz-ipod’s-guilty-little-pleasures/</a></p>
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		<title>By: zridling</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-236383</link>
		<dc:creator>zridling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, this is not a google problem, but a wordpress problem. It&#039;s an easy fix. You&#039;ve received a virus in your wordpress blog that&#039;s inserting a LOT of code and probably sending you thousands of spam messages daily. Have your admin take everything down, clear it out, and from now on be sure to perform  wordpress upgrades as soon as they&#039;re available. I had the same problem with ghosting and copycat sites.


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&lt;strong&gt;BR&lt;/strong&gt;: I don&#039;t think so . . . </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, this is not a google problem, but a wordpress problem. It&#8217;s an easy fix. You&#8217;ve received a virus in your wordpress blog that&#8217;s inserting a LOT of code and probably sending you thousands of spam messages daily. Have your admin take everything down, clear it out, and from now on be sure to perform  wordpress upgrades as soon as they&#8217;re available. I had the same problem with ghosting and copycat sites.</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p><strong>BR</strong>: I don&#8217;t think so . . .</p>
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		<title>By: foxorrabbit</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-236371</link>
		<dc:creator>foxorrabbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all of the reasons Dan Duncan cites above, Google is absolutely (to its very core) evil.  Don&#039;t let them fool you BR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all of the reasons Dan Duncan cites above, Google is absolutely (to its very core) evil.  Don&#8217;t let them fool you BR.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob G.</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-236362</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to Asian Energy and don&#039;t see any ads on the site.  How are they profiting from linking to The Big Picture?

~~~

&lt;strong&gt;BR&lt;/strong&gt;:  1) They used to have ads, now they don&#039;t.

2) Its not the links, its the copying wholseale of entire posts.

3) Doesn&#039;t have to be monetary -- for whatever reason, they want traffic without working for it . . . 


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to Asian Energy and don&#8217;t see any ads on the site.  How are they profiting from linking to The Big Picture?</p>
<p>~~~</p>
<p><strong>BR</strong>:  1) They used to have ads, now they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>2) Its not the links, its the copying wholseale of entire posts.</p>
<p>3) Doesn&#8217;t have to be monetary &#8212; for whatever reason, they want traffic without working for it . . .</p>
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		<title>By: John Personna</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/11/why-does-google-tolerate-theft/comment-page-1/#comment-236355</link>
		<dc:creator>John Personna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Google can improve, but I think their strategy is to wash the &quot;cut &amp; paste blogs, splogs, and scrapper sites&quot; down and out with low page rank.

That might be OK, and non-Evil.  Let anyone publish but only boost the seemingly genuine.  Of course a lot depends on their robots identifying the genuine.

I just set up this pseudonymous identity and blog with Google.  I hope to make it &quot;A public slice of me, in which I strive to be both honest and anonymous.&quot;  I also hope that if I write honestly and publicly I&#039;ll be found to be genuine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Google can improve, but I think their strategy is to wash the &#8220;cut &amp; paste blogs, splogs, and scrapper sites&#8221; down and out with low page rank.</p>
<p>That might be OK, and non-Evil.  Let anyone publish but only boost the seemingly genuine.  Of course a lot depends on their robots identifying the genuine.</p>
<p>I just set up this pseudonymous identity and blog with Google.  I hope to make it &#8220;A public slice of me, in which I strive to be both honest and anonymous.&#8221;  I also hope that if I write honestly and publicly I&#8217;ll be found to be genuine.</p>
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		<title>By: kbelenky</title>
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		<dc:creator>kbelenky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simply put, it is contrary to Google&#039;s interests to wipe out the scammers. Statistics have been hard to come by, but I suspect the revenue the shady operations provide to Google are non-trivial on Google&#039;s bottom line.

A week or two ago on Slashdot there was a linked set of articles written as an expose on and by Facebook scam artists. The main point I took from it was that Facebook was extremely tolerant of the scammer&#039;s activities so long as the ad revenue kept rolling in.

One of the major catalysts of the first Dot-com bust was the realization that many ad-driven websites were making a large portion of their revenue selling links to each other. They bought ads to get people to their websites so that they could make ad revenue directing people to another website. There were remarkably few terminal sites, sites that would pay money for ads so that they could sell the user a real service.  If Google ever manages to clean the scammers out of their customer base, I have a hunch that they, and the general public will find that Google has remarkably few customers who are trying to sell legitimate users a legitimate product or service.

Google&#039;s customers are not Google&#039;s users. So far, because of Google&#039;s golden-boy status it has been able to keep its user&#039;s interests at the forefront (for the most part). Some day Google may be backed into a corner when its customers ask Google to do something that is not in their users&#039; best interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simply put, it is contrary to Google&#8217;s interests to wipe out the scammers. Statistics have been hard to come by, but I suspect the revenue the shady operations provide to Google are non-trivial on Google&#8217;s bottom line.</p>
<p>A week or two ago on Slashdot there was a linked set of articles written as an expose on and by Facebook scam artists. The main point I took from it was that Facebook was extremely tolerant of the scammer&#8217;s activities so long as the ad revenue kept rolling in.</p>
<p>One of the major catalysts of the first Dot-com bust was the realization that many ad-driven websites were making a large portion of their revenue selling links to each other. They bought ads to get people to their websites so that they could make ad revenue directing people to another website. There were remarkably few terminal sites, sites that would pay money for ads so that they could sell the user a real service.  If Google ever manages to clean the scammers out of their customer base, I have a hunch that they, and the general public will find that Google has remarkably few customers who are trying to sell legitimate users a legitimate product or service.</p>
<p>Google&#8217;s customers are not Google&#8217;s users. So far, because of Google&#8217;s golden-boy status it has been able to keep its user&#8217;s interests at the forefront (for the most part). Some day Google may be backed into a corner when its customers ask Google to do something that is not in their users&#8217; best interests.</p>
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		<title>By: howard0339</title>
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		<dc:creator>howard0339</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are in a brand new time where old data points mean next to nothing and old &quot;market signals&quot; are useless over a term longer than a few months.  We are educated to invest.  Bonds for chicken shits, stocks for guys with balls, and real estate for those who don&#039;t want to do anything with an investment other than allow inflation to work for them.   So in spite of the evidence that stocks are a shit investment subject to moves based in part on illegal activity, a vehicle that must be traded (sometimes on an hourly basis) and watched carefully for each and every &quot;signal&quot;, we still believe that they are somehow a good investment.  What we have now is a classic inflation in stocks: too much money chasing too few goods.  We have been taught that we must invest all the time with our surplus money and never ever just put it in the bank.  So in spite of really bad times for 17% of our population those with money are chasing stocks and just hoping....and hoping.    It ain&#039;t going to happen unless hyper inflation manages to bail us all out.  The events that could bail us out are brand new products that we actually want, but with the upcoming socialized medicine  tax suck ain&#039;t likely to happen.  We are in the throes of money decay and the inflation of some assets.  People making $20 to $40 per hour cannot bail us out.  We need to face the fact that a majority of our population produces nothing but paper and a desire to consume as if they were rich while the rest of us who actually produce things have lost our voting power.  In this &quot;us vs them&quot; war the lay around and consume based on entitlements are now ruling.  Make money with this envious bunch of parasites?  Sure......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are in a brand new time where old data points mean next to nothing and old &#8220;market signals&#8221; are useless over a term longer than a few months.  We are educated to invest.  Bonds for chicken shits, stocks for guys with balls, and real estate for those who don&#8217;t want to do anything with an investment other than allow inflation to work for them.   So in spite of the evidence that stocks are a shit investment subject to moves based in part on illegal activity, a vehicle that must be traded (sometimes on an hourly basis) and watched carefully for each and every &#8220;signal&#8221;, we still believe that they are somehow a good investment.  What we have now is a classic inflation in stocks: too much money chasing too few goods.  We have been taught that we must invest all the time with our surplus money and never ever just put it in the bank.  So in spite of really bad times for 17% of our population those with money are chasing stocks and just hoping&#8230;.and hoping.    It ain&#8217;t going to happen unless hyper inflation manages to bail us all out.  The events that could bail us out are brand new products that we actually want, but with the upcoming socialized medicine  tax suck ain&#8217;t likely to happen.  We are in the throes of money decay and the inflation of some assets.  People making $20 to $40 per hour cannot bail us out.  We need to face the fact that a majority of our population produces nothing but paper and a desire to consume as if they were rich while the rest of us who actually produce things have lost our voting power.  In this &#8220;us vs them&#8221; war the lay around and consume based on entitlements are now ruling.  Make money with this envious bunch of parasites?  Sure&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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