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		<title>By: Gatsby</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/12/gm-resignation-open-thread/comment-page-2/#comment-238875</link>
		<dc:creator>Gatsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was probably the plan from the start. Kick out Wagoner, pop Fritz in until they could find an outsider as per Ford.

Just my thoughts. If I am right we will probably see a new CEO within two weeks.

We&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was probably the plan from the start. Kick out Wagoner, pop Fritz in until they could find an outsider as per Ford.</p>
<p>Just my thoughts. If I am right we will probably see a new CEO within two weeks.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: willid3</title>
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		<dc:creator>willid3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://baselinescenario.com/2009/12/02/never-a-good-sign/#more-5635

now looking for a super star CEO. 

which means a super sized salary too.

but won&#039;t mean better results.

GM&#039;s biggest problem was allowing the accountants to run a company that is based on products sold to consumers. that means make products consumers will buy for a reasonable price, not make products as cheaply as possible, which leads to lack luster products, and having to &#039;buy&#039; sales using incentives (not that the auto industry hasn&#039;t taught the customer to look for this. or that customers haven&#039;t always bought on price in some cases). but consider Toyota. they have some of the same issues too. but they have that quality thing down pat (and have lots of public perception capital of that too to boot)

and consider that if you bought a German or Japanese car made in Germany or Japan, the odds are about 99+% that it was made by a union worker. And that German auto worker is the highest paid in the world by far.</description>
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<p>now looking for a super star CEO. </p>
<p>which means a super sized salary too.</p>
<p>but won&#8217;t mean better results.</p>
<p>GM&#8217;s biggest problem was allowing the accountants to run a company that is based on products sold to consumers. that means make products consumers will buy for a reasonable price, not make products as cheaply as possible, which leads to lack luster products, and having to &#8216;buy&#8217; sales using incentives (not that the auto industry hasn&#8217;t taught the customer to look for this. or that customers haven&#8217;t always bought on price in some cases). but consider Toyota. they have some of the same issues too. but they have that quality thing down pat (and have lots of public perception capital of that too to boot)</p>
<p>and consider that if you bought a German or Japanese car made in Germany or Japan, the odds are about 99+% that it was made by a union worker. And that German auto worker is the highest paid in the world by far.</p>
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		<title>By: dsawy</title>
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		<dc:creator>dsawy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US auto companies need to look at Cat as a successful model of how to deal with the UAW. Cat&#039;s management stood up to the UAW in the 90&#039;s, said &quot;no&quot; when the UAW asked for too much, and has been more prosperous for doing so. The UAW is still at Cat, but Cat&#039;s management isn&#039;t a push-over.

What GM needs is to broom out a lot of bad/inept/incompetent management, flatted the corporate org chart and quit pissing money down ratholes., such as electric cars. Get rid of the distractions of &quot;brand loyalty&quot; BS from the 50&#039;s, cut the branding BS in advertising and start making good, functional cars that meet actual needs of the consumer.

But as it is, very little of that will actually happen, and GM is merely marking time before they exceed the tolerance of all but a few wingnut liberal UAW-supported Congressclowns. At that time, they&#039;ll be defunded by Uncle Sugar, broken up and sold off to various other auto companies, much as Chrysler has been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US auto companies need to look at Cat as a successful model of how to deal with the UAW. Cat&#8217;s management stood up to the UAW in the 90&#8242;s, said &#8220;no&#8221; when the UAW asked for too much, and has been more prosperous for doing so. The UAW is still at Cat, but Cat&#8217;s management isn&#8217;t a push-over.</p>
<p>What GM needs is to broom out a lot of bad/inept/incompetent management, flatted the corporate org chart and quit pissing money down ratholes., such as electric cars. Get rid of the distractions of &#8220;brand loyalty&#8221; BS from the 50&#8242;s, cut the branding BS in advertising and start making good, functional cars that meet actual needs of the consumer.</p>
<p>But as it is, very little of that will actually happen, and GM is merely marking time before they exceed the tolerance of all but a few wingnut liberal UAW-supported Congressclowns. At that time, they&#8217;ll be defunded by Uncle Sugar, broken up and sold off to various other auto companies, much as Chrysler has been.</p>
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		<title>By: flipspiceland</title>
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		<dc:creator>flipspiceland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Darmah:


The unions have no fault in this mess?  Managment runs the company?  

Both Union and Management bear responsibility for the travails of the auto industry and any other where this adversarial relationship basically tell the stockholders to stick it.

That&#039;s as kindly as I can put it without personal attacks on your sense of who&#039;s to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Darmah:</p>
<p>The unions have no fault in this mess?  Managment runs the company?  </p>
<p>Both Union and Management bear responsibility for the travails of the auto industry and any other where this adversarial relationship basically tell the stockholders to stick it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s as kindly as I can put it without personal attacks on your sense of who&#8217;s to blame.</p>
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		<title>By: Darmah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darmah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with much of this regarding culture, but

carleric @ 11:31 pretty much sums it up for me.  Look at Roger Smith and Murphy before him. They were only interested in profits. They couldn&#039;t / wouldn&#039;t compete on the car side, and instead gave us SUVs and pickup trucks. (It was all consumer demand, don&#039;t ya know -- yeah, right.) They were amply aided by a congress that froze mileage requirements year after year.  And sorry, I don&#039;t buy the unions are at fault. Management runs the company, sets the agenda, tone and direction of the company.</description>
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<p>carleric @ 11:31 pretty much sums it up for me.  Look at Roger Smith and Murphy before him. They were only interested in profits. They couldn&#8217;t / wouldn&#8217;t compete on the car side, and instead gave us SUVs and pickup trucks. (It was all consumer demand, don&#8217;t ya know &#8212; yeah, right.) They were amply aided by a congress that froze mileage requirements year after year.  And sorry, I don&#8217;t buy the unions are at fault. Management runs the company, sets the agenda, tone and direction of the company.</p>
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		<title>By: carleric</title>
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		<dc:creator>carleric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only salvation for this company is to get rid of all the &quot;old&quot; embedded management and go outside of the Detroit carmaker mentality to find tough, clearminded executives.  They could start by removing financial types from any input into building cars.  For too many years, GM built &quot;large boats&quot; because margins were better, fixed costs were better absorbed, etc.  Accountants know the cost of everything and the value of nothing and look where letting them enter the decision making process got GM.  I think the company should jsut fold but as long as we are on the hook to the UAW a new approach would seem warranted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only salvation for this company is to get rid of all the &#8220;old&#8221; embedded management and go outside of the Detroit carmaker mentality to find tough, clearminded executives.  They could start by removing financial types from any input into building cars.  For too many years, GM built &#8220;large boats&#8221; because margins were better, fixed costs were better absorbed, etc.  Accountants know the cost of everything and the value of nothing and look where letting them enter the decision making process got GM.  I think the company should jsut fold but as long as we are on the hook to the UAW a new approach would seem warranted.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1993 IBM named  Louis V. Gerstner,RJR Nabisco head as chairman. He was a marketeer whom knew little about the techonology side and was known for recognizing business opportunites and pushing them to profitablity. IBM went from being a hardware company to a services company that sold hardware. Isn&#039;t what GM need is a lifestyle seller whom markets cars?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1993 IBM named  Louis V. Gerstner,RJR Nabisco head as chairman. He was a marketeer whom knew little about the techonology side and was known for recognizing business opportunites and pushing them to profitablity. IBM went from being a hardware company to a services company that sold hardware. Isn&#8217;t what GM need is a lifestyle seller whom markets cars?</p>
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		<title>By: deanscamaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>deanscamaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its just apparent that the key is Whitacre.  He is the &quot;kick ass and take names&quot; type of guy that is needed.  He gave Henderson some time to prove what he was made of and he came up short.  Kick his ass out and start driving some meaningful change.  There&#039;s not enough of these real managers around anymore.  Most are mamby-pamby, suck up types who can&#039;t make the real decisions.  Hopefully Whitacre will be in the interim-CEO position long enough to either get the real, needed changes made or brings in his doppleganger to fill the slot who can do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its just apparent that the key is Whitacre.  He is the &#8220;kick ass and take names&#8221; type of guy that is needed.  He gave Henderson some time to prove what he was made of and he came up short.  Kick his ass out and start driving some meaningful change.  There&#8217;s not enough of these real managers around anymore.  Most are mamby-pamby, suck up types who can&#8217;t make the real decisions.  Hopefully Whitacre will be in the interim-CEO position long enough to either get the real, needed changes made or brings in his doppleganger to fill the slot who can do it.</p>
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		<title>By: jonpublic</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonpublic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://jalopnik.com/5416549/daughter-of-resigned-gm-ceo-attacks-new-gm-ceo-on-facebook</description>
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		<title>By: arcticpup</title>
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		<dc:creator>arcticpup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A canadian developer (from Toronto) purchased the silver dome, for less than $500,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A canadian developer (from Toronto) purchased the silver dome, for less than $500,000.</p>
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