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	<title>Comments on: Obama&#8217;s populist rhetoric about &#8216;Fat Cat&#8217; bankers</title>
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		<title>By: DiggidyDan</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/12/obamas-populist-rhetoric-about-fat-cat-bankers/comment-page-1/#comment-242074</link>
		<dc:creator>DiggidyDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 01:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/04/top-10-things-the-letters-gm-stands-for/#comment-159166

Once again, the original Bifurcated Reflation post. . . it&#039;s been quite a bit longer than a month!

http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX

Now what can hold the demand still?  Look again and judge for yourself.</description>
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<p>Once again, the original Bifurcated Reflation post. . . it&#8217;s been quite a bit longer than a month!</p>
<p><a href="http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX" rel="nofollow">http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX</a></p>
<p>Now what can hold the demand still?  Look again and judge for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/12/obamas-populist-rhetoric-about-fat-cat-bankers/comment-page-1/#comment-241935</link>
		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DiggidyDan Says:    Bifurcated reflation anybody?

One month does not  trend make, but it certainly points in the direction of commodity inflation coupled with real wage deflation.  Not good.

Producer Prices in U.S. Climbed More Than Forecast (Update2) 

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&amp;sid=aaL4qCCNdhAQ&amp;pos=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DiggidyDan Says:    Bifurcated reflation anybody?</p>
<p>One month does not  trend make, but it certainly points in the direction of commodity inflation coupled with real wage deflation.  Not good.</p>
<p>Producer Prices in U.S. Climbed More Than Forecast (Update2) </p>
<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aaL4qCCNdhAQ&#038;pos=2" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&#038;sid=aaL4qCCNdhAQ&#038;pos=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: ZackAttack</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZackAttack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History has no degrees of freedom, but I believe if we&#039;d done the Swedish Solution, it would&#039;ve been quick and painful but this would all be over. An IMF study - led by the US - of 38 different financial crises showed that it, or a variant of it, had the highest &quot;success rate&quot; (you have to look at the fine print for the definition of &quot;success&quot;) and the lowest cost of all the alternatives. 

The only counterargument I ever heard was that the US banking system is too big for history to apply. Maybe there are better arguments against it, but certainly no one brought them up at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History has no degrees of freedom, but I believe if we&#8217;d done the Swedish Solution, it would&#8217;ve been quick and painful but this would all be over. An IMF study &#8211; led by the US &#8211; of 38 different financial crises showed that it, or a variant of it, had the highest &#8220;success rate&#8221; (you have to look at the fine print for the definition of &#8220;success&#8221;) and the lowest cost of all the alternatives. </p>
<p>The only counterargument I ever heard was that the US banking system is too big for history to apply. Maybe there are better arguments against it, but certainly no one brought them up at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: DonF</title>
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		<dc:creator>DonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t get why people are decrying Obama&#039;s financial policies as socialist. Isn&#039;t the problem that they aren&#039;t socialist enough? If he adopted the Swedish system, which is the right thing to do imo, THEN I could understand people crying about him being a socialist. Until then, it makes no sense to me. Am I missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t get why people are decrying Obama&#8217;s financial policies as socialist. Isn&#8217;t the problem that they aren&#8217;t socialist enough? If he adopted the Swedish system, which is the right thing to do imo, THEN I could understand people crying about him being a socialist. Until then, it makes no sense to me. Am I missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: DiggidyDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiggidyDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglass Watts, I would beg to differ. . . you are claiming the states are different.  The measured states in the examples which you cite  are similar points of inflection in an oscillating system.   These points may or may not look the same dependent upon perspective of the measuring apparatus (in this case your eyes).  It is a poor analogy to politics IMO.  

A better analogy would be two different systems achieving the same result, such as say purifying water via distillation vs. purifying water via reverse osmosis.  The end result is the same, the mechanisms and system used to arrive there are different.  Hence, my statement (admittedly a nonscientific one, as I was using a colloquialism, not claiming a scientific theory) is in fact stating that we are getting the same result from the current administration of one party that we would have gotten from the other party.  In the end, the regular working stiff is gonna get screwed over no matter which party is in office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglass Watts, I would beg to differ. . . you are claiming the states are different.  The measured states in the examples which you cite  are similar points of inflection in an oscillating system.   These points may or may not look the same dependent upon perspective of the measuring apparatus (in this case your eyes).  It is a poor analogy to politics IMO.  </p>
<p>A better analogy would be two different systems achieving the same result, such as say purifying water via distillation vs. purifying water via reverse osmosis.  The end result is the same, the mechanisms and system used to arrive there are different.  Hence, my statement (admittedly a nonscientific one, as I was using a colloquialism, not claiming a scientific theory) is in fact stating that we are getting the same result from the current administration of one party that we would have gotten from the other party.  In the end, the regular working stiff is gonna get screwed over no matter which party is in office.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since 2006, Barry has been insistent on real estate values being too high in relation to the real ability of homeowners to pay. The first &quot;tell&quot; for me with the Obama administration was a) a stated effort to keep them high and b) opposition or nonchalant (lack 0f ) support to force cramdowns to push at-risk mortgages into payable realms, given the recession pressures. This was a bet made at the gambling table. Keep the bubble inflated, or steer its deflation back down in a way so as to cause the least damage. The latest &quot;financial reform&quot; bill passed by the House killed cramdowns. By not passing them, the can gets kicked down the road until the next wave of foreclosures occurs. And then gets kicked again. Last fall and winter was a tipping point and it was missed, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since 2006, Barry has been insistent on real estate values being too high in relation to the real ability of homeowners to pay. The first &#8220;tell&#8221; for me with the Obama administration was a) a stated effort to keep them high and b) opposition or nonchalant (lack 0f ) support to force cramdowns to push at-risk mortgages into payable realms, given the recession pressures. This was a bet made at the gambling table. Keep the bubble inflated, or steer its deflation back down in a way so as to cause the least damage. The latest &#8220;financial reform&#8221; bill passed by the House killed cramdowns. By not passing them, the can gets kicked down the road until the next wave of foreclosures occurs. And then gets kicked again. Last fall and winter was a tipping point and it was missed, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: bsneath</title>
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		<dc:creator>bsneath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bifurcated reflation anybody?

Oh but not to worry.  They will balance the budget with a new value added tax that will be applied on top of the higher prices that are paid for basic necessities.  But this will keep income taxes low and that will create jobs.  (Not going to end well)

I wonder what the chances are that we are creating our own disaffected youth problem just like what has happened in the Middle East.  A decade from now might be very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bifurcated reflation anybody?</p>
<p>Oh but not to worry.  They will balance the budget with a new value added tax that will be applied on top of the higher prices that are paid for basic necessities.  But this will keep income taxes low and that will create jobs.  (Not going to end well)</p>
<p>I wonder what the chances are that we are creating our own disaffected youth problem just like what has happened in the Middle East.  A decade from now might be very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Watts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Watts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Same ole bullshit, different keister spewing it.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s very unscientific. You can get the same apparent results from two different states. Think high tide and low tide. Or sunset and sunrise. In a camera snapshot, they are indistinguishable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Same ole bullshit, different keister spewing it.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s very unscientific. You can get the same apparent results from two different states. Think high tide and low tide. Or sunset and sunrise. In a camera snapshot, they are indistinguishable.</p>
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		<title>By: EAR</title>
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		<dc:creator>EAR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 04:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MEH,

Pardon the simplification...

The right says &quot;smaller gov&#039;t&quot;... &quot;starve the beast&quot;... lower taxes aka don&#039;t distribute a portion of what I earn to &quot;others&quot; (under the assumption that the &quot;others&quot; are unwilling or unable to provide for themselves and that they themselves have truly &quot;earned&quot; anything). Reward those who have succeeded in taking advantage of the opportunity inherent in being an American.

The left says gov&#039;t is the answer when citizens fail themselves or one another. Step in, provide, make the free for all fair, balance the scales. Make sure it appears as if everyone has the chance to take advantage of the opportunity inherent in being an American.

The constitution was written for a country that traveled its subsequent path of &quot;freedom&quot; on the skeletons of millions of workers of the lowest possible wage.

These are concepts, concocted by the human mind. But like all such concoctions they will never be what they are meant to be because humans must apply them, carry them out. There is no final, pristine product, there never will be.

Humans aren&#039;t capable of capitalism as they define it, they aren&#039;t capable of socialism as they define it, of anything they define. Only something that resembles it after they&#039;ve wielded it however they could, to whatever effect their political or financial position in society allows.

Which brings us to now. Pardon the simplification, but we&#039;re about to find out what America does when it finds out all of that crap they came to &quot;value&quot; as Americans ain&#039;t comin&#039; back. How will they respond to this concept? What will they wield?

I have no expectations beyond what I anticipate I will do, whether it be exceptional or routine. That is all I truly have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MEH,</p>
<p>Pardon the simplification&#8230;</p>
<p>The right says &#8220;smaller gov&#8217;t&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;starve the beast&#8221;&#8230; lower taxes aka don&#8217;t distribute a portion of what I earn to &#8220;others&#8221; (under the assumption that the &#8220;others&#8221; are unwilling or unable to provide for themselves and that they themselves have truly &#8220;earned&#8221; anything). Reward those who have succeeded in taking advantage of the opportunity inherent in being an American.</p>
<p>The left says gov&#8217;t is the answer when citizens fail themselves or one another. Step in, provide, make the free for all fair, balance the scales. Make sure it appears as if everyone has the chance to take advantage of the opportunity inherent in being an American.</p>
<p>The constitution was written for a country that traveled its subsequent path of &#8220;freedom&#8221; on the skeletons of millions of workers of the lowest possible wage.</p>
<p>These are concepts, concocted by the human mind. But like all such concoctions they will never be what they are meant to be because humans must apply them, carry them out. There is no final, pristine product, there never will be.</p>
<p>Humans aren&#8217;t capable of capitalism as they define it, they aren&#8217;t capable of socialism as they define it, of anything they define. Only something that resembles it after they&#8217;ve wielded it however they could, to whatever effect their political or financial position in society allows.</p>
<p>Which brings us to now. Pardon the simplification, but we&#8217;re about to find out what America does when it finds out all of that crap they came to &#8220;value&#8221; as Americans ain&#8217;t comin&#8217; back. How will they respond to this concept? What will they wield?</p>
<p>I have no expectations beyond what I anticipate I will do, whether it be exceptional or routine. That is all I truly have.</p>
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		<title>By: DiggidyDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>DiggidyDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same ole bullshit, different keister spewing it.  I just hope this realization sets everyone up to have a viable third party option in the near future instead of the old guard system that is a proven incubator of corruption and ineptitude.

We&#039;re gonna be a third world country of poor unfed masses as the banks use all that capital to &quot;shore up the financial system&quot; ie, line their own pockets and assure the failure of the mega elite does not occur.

As much money as they are throwing around, it doesn&#039;t seem to be making life any easier for us little folks.  See:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&amp;sid=aBYSp0.XfXZs

Bifurcated reflation anybody?

And the world turns and the beat goes on.  I&#039;m starting to hope that 2012 Doomsday theory is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same ole bullshit, different keister spewing it.  I just hope this realization sets everyone up to have a viable third party option in the near future instead of the old guard system that is a proven incubator of corruption and ineptitude.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re gonna be a third world country of poor unfed masses as the banks use all that capital to &#8220;shore up the financial system&#8221; ie, line their own pockets and assure the failure of the mega elite does not occur.</p>
<p>As much money as they are throwing around, it doesn&#8217;t seem to be making life any easier for us little folks.  See:<br />
<a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=aBYSp0.XfXZs" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&#038;sid=aBYSp0.XfXZs</a></p>
<p>Bifurcated reflation anybody?</p>
<p>And the world turns and the beat goes on.  I&#8217;m starting to hope that 2012 Doomsday theory is true.</p>
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