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		<title>By: The Big Picture &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bubbles &#38; Banks &#38; Zero Lending Standard Loans</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/bernanke-cause-of-credit-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-246668</link>
		<dc:creator>The Big Picture &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Bubbles &#38; Banks &#38; Zero Lending Standard Loans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] market, and eventually the Derivatives market (CDOs, CDSs, etc). Look at the 10 steps detailed here on Monday regarding the forming of the credit [...]</description>
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		<title>By: cognos</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/bernanke-cause-of-credit-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-245911</link>
		<dc:creator>cognos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its WIERD that you guys seem to miss the gigantic speculative bubble in housing.  This is a totally normal, recurring capitalist phenomenon.  It has little or nothing to do with regulation, govt, and rates and nearly EVERYTHING to do with classical economics and human behavior.  It will constantly recur.  It has already occurred, maybe 5 times in the last 10 years! (Internet, Commodities, Real-Estate, China, ...?).

When we have a speculative bubble in something like Dot-com stocks (remember that one, man!) we dont engender systematic risk.  Still plenty of fallout.  Debt-deflation.  Scandals and frauds (Enron, Worldcom).  But regulated entities like banks are not super at-risk.  When its real-estate... which seems to bubble every 10-20 years.... then banks will become bankrupt.  This is not actually that hard to fix, and has LITTLE to do with interest rates (which apply to the whole economy).


1. So first we had: Speculative Bubble in Housing.  This is predominatly driven by low-down payments, but also by typical market factors: speculators, rates, demographics, catalysts, confluence of factors, etc.

2. Then we added: Mark-to-Market accounting for banks.  Do you know how dumb this is?  Imagine someone foreclosing on your house when you are current on your interest payments.  You bought for $1M, borrowed $800k.  But your neighbors house just sold out of foreclosure for $300k.  You must put up $500k or you are &quot;MTM bankrupt&quot;!  MTM for illiquid assets is one of the dumbest things ever created by man.  It deserves a Darwin award.   It is so obvious that in crisis all illiquid assets get marked down an extra 50%.  This is a recipe for bankrupting ALL banks.  As soon as we took this off, banks went up 200%.  The concept is simply insane.

3. Finally, everyone denied there was a problem (Fed, FDIC, Ben Stein, Bear, Fannie, Freddie, Lehman, Paulson, Congressman and Pundits who naively believed in &quot;the market&quot;).  The was ZERO leadership to get in front of the problem.  The fault lies 33% with citizen speculators, 33% with banks and brokers, and 33% with regulators and the govt.  None wanted to propose a better solution.  Foreclose, recover 0.10, repeat.  Stick head in sand.  Its sad, bc there is probably a better &quot;organized&quot; solution... like splitting the losses btw the 3 parties (homeowner, bank, govt) which kinda quasi gets done through support like TARP.  But the frictional costs are very high.  Anyway, its over now.

4. Then finally and this might be the worst.  SCREAM for regulation, lower leverage, and blame in the aftermath when it is completely unneccessary.  The truth is the capitalist market does a fine job after the crisis.  Once the situation is clear, we dont need the regulator.  As Jamie Dimon has said -- &quot;We need counter-cyclical regulation&quot;.

At least it created massive opportunity in L/S stocks and massive upside to taking risk in the crisis.  It should setup for a strong stock market for years.  The herd was long 1-yr ago, and fearful in the crisis, and will now huddle in cash during a long bull market (subject to event risk).  Classic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its WIERD that you guys seem to miss the gigantic speculative bubble in housing.  This is a totally normal, recurring capitalist phenomenon.  It has little or nothing to do with regulation, govt, and rates and nearly EVERYTHING to do with classical economics and human behavior.  It will constantly recur.  It has already occurred, maybe 5 times in the last 10 years! (Internet, Commodities, Real-Estate, China, &#8230;?).</p>
<p>When we have a speculative bubble in something like Dot-com stocks (remember that one, man!) we dont engender systematic risk.  Still plenty of fallout.  Debt-deflation.  Scandals and frauds (Enron, Worldcom).  But regulated entities like banks are not super at-risk.  When its real-estate&#8230; which seems to bubble every 10-20 years&#8230;. then banks will become bankrupt.  This is not actually that hard to fix, and has LITTLE to do with interest rates (which apply to the whole economy).</p>
<p>1. So first we had: Speculative Bubble in Housing.  This is predominatly driven by low-down payments, but also by typical market factors: speculators, rates, demographics, catalysts, confluence of factors, etc.</p>
<p>2. Then we added: Mark-to-Market accounting for banks.  Do you know how dumb this is?  Imagine someone foreclosing on your house when you are current on your interest payments.  You bought for $1M, borrowed $800k.  But your neighbors house just sold out of foreclosure for $300k.  You must put up $500k or you are &#8220;MTM bankrupt&#8221;!  MTM for illiquid assets is one of the dumbest things ever created by man.  It deserves a Darwin award.   It is so obvious that in crisis all illiquid assets get marked down an extra 50%.  This is a recipe for bankrupting ALL banks.  As soon as we took this off, banks went up 200%.  The concept is simply insane.</p>
<p>3. Finally, everyone denied there was a problem (Fed, FDIC, Ben Stein, Bear, Fannie, Freddie, Lehman, Paulson, Congressman and Pundits who naively believed in &#8220;the market&#8221;).  The was ZERO leadership to get in front of the problem.  The fault lies 33% with citizen speculators, 33% with banks and brokers, and 33% with regulators and the govt.  None wanted to propose a better solution.  Foreclose, recover 0.10, repeat.  Stick head in sand.  Its sad, bc there is probably a better &#8220;organized&#8221; solution&#8230; like splitting the losses btw the 3 parties (homeowner, bank, govt) which kinda quasi gets done through support like TARP.  But the frictional costs are very high.  Anyway, its over now.</p>
<p>4. Then finally and this might be the worst.  SCREAM for regulation, lower leverage, and blame in the aftermath when it is completely unneccessary.  The truth is the capitalist market does a fine job after the crisis.  Once the situation is clear, we dont need the regulator.  As Jamie Dimon has said &#8212; &#8220;We need counter-cyclical regulation&#8221;.</p>
<p>At least it created massive opportunity in L/S stocks and massive upside to taking risk in the crisis.  It should setup for a strong stock market for years.  The herd was long 1-yr ago, and fearful in the crisis, and will now huddle in cash during a long bull market (subject to event risk).  Classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t blame interest rate policy? &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/bernanke-cause-of-credit-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-245903</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t blame interest rate policy? &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issue is not explored further.  I believe this is a mistake and agree with Barry Ritholtz&#8217;s post on this subject: What Bernanake seems to be overlooking in his exoneration of ultra-low rates was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t blame interest rate policy? &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</title>
		<link>http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/01/bernanke-cause-of-credit-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-245904</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t blame interest rate policy? &#124; The League of Ordinary Gentlemen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] issue is not explored further.  I believe this is a mistake and agree with Barry Ritholtz&#8217;s post on this subject: What Bernanake seems to be overlooking in his exoneration of ultra-low rates was [...]</description>
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		<title>By: CTB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 05:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post by Matt Taibbi on the Government corruption vs. Evil Wall Street debate:
http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/01/04/fannie-freddie-and-the-new-red-and-blue/

His take: it&#039;s both, and the partisan bickering is a smokescreen.  A lot of it appears to agree with Barry.  Maybe he&#039;s a fan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post by Matt Taibbi on the Government corruption vs. Evil Wall Street debate:<br />
<a href="http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/01/04/fannie-freddie-and-the-new-red-and-blue/" rel="nofollow">http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2010/01/04/fannie-freddie-and-the-new-red-and-blue/</a></p>
<p>His take: it&#8217;s both, and the partisan bickering is a smokescreen.  A lot of it appears to agree with Barry.  Maybe he&#8217;s a fan?</p>
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		<title>By: lalaland</title>
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		<dc:creator>lalaland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greed made it all happen.   

Our regulators, charged with preventing Greed from winning, lost.  

Greed won, and this is what happens.  Ben Bernanke, whatever his faults, did not CAUSE the meltdown; he failed to stave it off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greed made it all happen.   </p>
<p>Our regulators, charged with preventing Greed from winning, lost.  </p>
<p>Greed won, and this is what happens.  Ben Bernanke, whatever his faults, did not CAUSE the meltdown; he failed to stave it off.</p>
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		<title>By: youraveragejoeonthestreet</title>
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		<dc:creator>youraveragejoeonthestreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Cogno... 

Bernanke or who ever has the right... should adjust down payments to aid in smoothing out the ups and downs of markets where leverage and lending are involved... IE housing... etc.  And it is important to time these adjustments to the markets... taking into account deflation....inflation historic changes in price per period... and what real costs should be. 

Right now... we could be giving people 20% of a home&#039;s price for someone to buy in the form of some kind of lien/bond/prefered ownership. As the economy housing stock recovers to normal... reduce it to 0%. As things start to warm 5 then 10 then 15% down could be required... but quick enough up or down to actually stay ahead of bubbles happening or killing the market. Sure... it would take speculators and huge profits out of our nice free market... but I say... too bad... the whole world economy needs to be more stable and not able to be imploded just so Goldman Sachs and 500 other &quot;in the know&quot; smarty pants, can become the first Trillionaires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Cogno&#8230; </p>
<p>Bernanke or who ever has the right&#8230; should adjust down payments to aid in smoothing out the ups and downs of markets where leverage and lending are involved&#8230; IE housing&#8230; etc.  And it is important to time these adjustments to the markets&#8230; taking into account deflation&#8230;.inflation historic changes in price per period&#8230; and what real costs should be. </p>
<p>Right now&#8230; we could be giving people 20% of a home&#8217;s price for someone to buy in the form of some kind of lien/bond/prefered ownership. As the economy housing stock recovers to normal&#8230; reduce it to 0%. As things start to warm 5 then 10 then 15% down could be required&#8230; but quick enough up or down to actually stay ahead of bubbles happening or killing the market. Sure&#8230; it would take speculators and huge profits out of our nice free market&#8230; but I say&#8230; too bad&#8230; the whole world economy needs to be more stable and not able to be imploded just so Goldman Sachs and 500 other &#8220;in the know&#8221; smarty pants, can become the first Trillionaires.</p>
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		<title>By: rootless_cosmopolitan</title>
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		<dc:creator>rootless_cosmopolitan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for my own comment at 12:59 PM.

A terradollar is a multiple of a dollar as much as a pentagram is a multiple of a gram. It&#039;s teradollar (= trillion dollars = 10^12 dollars).

Barry, you really are trying to get me to buy your book. ;-) Perhaps, I am going to do it.

rc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for my own comment at 12:59 PM.</p>
<p>A terradollar is a multiple of a dollar as much as a pentagram is a multiple of a gram. It&#8217;s teradollar (= trillion dollars = 10^12 dollars).</p>
<p>Barry, you really are trying to get me to buy your book. ;-) Perhaps, I am going to do it.</p>
<p>rc</p>
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		<title>By: wally248</title>
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		<dc:creator>wally248</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 20:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the statement in #3 above is illogical on its face. if, according to #2, the sole purpose of nonbanks was to sell mortgages, they did not control underwriting. they needed a buyer. what killed underwriting standards was the behavior of fannie and freddie. FANNIE AND FREDDIE BOUGHT MORE THAN 80% OF THE LOANS! if they had not loosened their standards in an effort to make more money with the government guarantee, there would have been no mortgage crisis. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM - PLAIN AND SIMPLE!


~~~
&lt;strong&gt;
BR&lt;/strong&gt;: Prior to late 2005, Fannie &amp; Freddie were precluded from buying nonconforming (i.e., subprime) loans.

They eventually changed their purchasing standards (late 2005) when Angelo Mozila threatened to take all of his business away from them, and give it to Wall Street.  By the time Fannie &amp; Freddie acquiesced, the boom had already peaked.

So no, my talking point spouting ignorant little friend, they were not the cause of this. 

But thanks for coming by!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the statement in #3 above is illogical on its face. if, according to #2, the sole purpose of nonbanks was to sell mortgages, they did not control underwriting. they needed a buyer. what killed underwriting standards was the behavior of fannie and freddie. FANNIE AND FREDDIE BOUGHT MORE THAN 80% OF THE LOANS! if they had not loosened their standards in an effort to make more money with the government guarantee, there would have been no mortgage crisis. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM &#8211; PLAIN AND SIMPLE!</p>
<p>~~~<br />
<strong><br />
BR</strong>: Prior to late 2005, Fannie &#038; Freddie were precluded from buying nonconforming (i.e., subprime) loans.</p>
<p>They eventually changed their purchasing standards (late 2005) when Angelo Mozila threatened to take all of his business away from them, and give it to Wall Street.  By the time Fannie &#038; Freddie acquiesced, the boom had already peaked.</p>
<p>So no, my talking point spouting ignorant little friend, they were not the cause of this. </p>
<p>But thanks for coming by!</p>
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		<title>By: algernon</title>
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		<dc:creator>algernon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sine qua non of the crisis was easy money.  The Fed &amp; other central banks made that happen.</description>
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