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20 Responses to “Government – Bank Symbiosis”

  1. BrookTrout says:

    Government produces nothing. Federal Reserve makes their money how again? Is this Keynesian or that other guy?

  2. mhdoc says:

    Pity he didn’t include something to show the interest rate spread we, the tax payers, get to contribute.

  3. Chief Tomahawk says:

    Who b the sharks???

  4. Sharks?

    In theory, the public . . .

  5. ToNYC says:

    The member banks of the FRS/ FED are floating on free interest paid on the backs of the people who pay the note or diluted saved currency to their imaginary credit float-medium creation. Like HFT haircut machines they are taking micro-slices of embedded investors in 401-Ks and pension money and annuities all de live-long day. Soon the FinReg bill of 2,000 plus pages will fix everything!!
    “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary….”

  6. Deborah says:

    Looks like kiting.

  7. BrookTrout says:

    When does the entropy finally kick in, as we are in a closed system?

  8. franklin411 says:

    Everything is based on faith. Take money. It doesn’t matter what you use for money–gold, silver, green paper, puka shells–there’s no inherent value in gold. In fact, you really can’t do much with gold (iron is a more useful metal). People use gold as a store of value only because they have faith that it’s going to be worth something to the next guy.

    How is that any different?

  9. bman says:

    Franklin I normally find myself agreeing with most of your points, but Faith? what happened to freedom from religion we were all promised by our founding fathers?

  10. Graphite says:

    franklin411,

    Faith in gold is different because, for whatever reason (call it greed, call it totemism, call it whatever you want), that faith has proven unflappable throughout human history. It was valuable in ancient Egypt and Rome. It was valuable during the Dark Ages. It was valuable during the Renaissance and the Enlightenment and the Gilded Age and basically any other era you can point to. This is certainly more than can be said for the pharaohs’ and caesars’ versions of fiat currencies or whatever bonds they may have issued promising to pay it.

    You say iron is a much more useful metal, but how do you know this? Because people build bridges and appliances and weapons and all other sorts of things with it. In other words, iron is useful for all these purposes to which people have applied it. Can the same not be said of gold and its use as money by nearly every society whose governments have not tried to drive it underground and demonetize it?

    The exact reasons for gold’s historical role as a store of value are much less interesting to me than the undeniable evidence that it nearly always has been a store of value, at least since the advent of agriculture. Even when FDR thuggishly confiscated it, his administration did not see fit to simply take the supposedly demonetized contents of Fort Knox to the nearest landfill.

    More to the point, gold is especially appealing to societies which have lost confidence in their ruling elites and their promises to socially engineer a brighter future … especially via the typical awful sledgehammer techniques of monetary manipulation and inflation, to which you are often seen writing approving hosannas on BR’s comments pages.

    I am no gold bug and in fact I’m quite bearish on its dollar price for the near future, since we’re in a period of severe credit deflation which our leaders a.) helped cause, b.) do not understand, and c.) have no power to prevent. So, for the moment, the bulk of my “gotta keep it safe money” will stay in T-bills. But I think it requires an almost belligerently blinkered view of history to believe that gold has no use as money or a store of value, and that it will never be used as money again in the future.

    “Everything is based on faith.” Yeesh … ever tried writing a computer program that way?

  11. http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=Why+Governments+hate+Gold

    “…it requires an almost belligerently blinkered view of history to believe that gold has no use as money or a store of value…”

    http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=History+of+Gold+as+Money
    ~~
    “Everything is based on faith.”
    http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=Moral+Relativitism+and+The+Decline+of+the+West

    Graphite,

    nice Post!~, I added some ‘footnotes’ to go w/ it.. ~

  12. You can’t destroy gold except with a really hot star.

    You can’t print gold.

    It is rare.

    Three simple reasons why it retains its value

  13. Tarkus says:

    That cartoon is wrong in so many ways…

    First, in the case of the U.S., only Congress can coin money, so gov’t gets money from the Treasury, not by borrowing from banks. Borrowing would mean paying interest, and why pay interest to make someone else rich when you are the one who is creating the money?
    Second, it implies that banks are not independent of gov’t influence in their actions, which is clearly wrong because we have been told so on numerous occasions.
    Finally, the sharks aren’t just in the water because there are Land-sharks.
    Just so wrong in so many ways.

  14. ToNYC says:

    Gold is good for survival and fiat currency metric, but brings no solutions to the table. Mankind thrives on Intellectual Property. To mine and then re-bury gold is nothing new but an act of desperation. Can you help?

  15. torrie-amos says:

    cnbc’s when lehman failed is a good 45 minutes, pretty interesting, apparently behind the scenes, six months before the crash paulson was trying to save the world and finally had had enough and said screw it……………………………

    in a sense u could actually say paulson was a hero, he put the fear of god into there idicoy of unlimited moral hazard

  16. Pat Shuff says:

    Some banks are becoming dangerously addicted to the medicine the ECB has been administering. They can easily borrow from the ecb and then invest the proceeds in higher-yielding government bonds. Mr Ryan of UBS, reckons this “carry trade” may account for as much as 40% of the profits posted by some smaller Spanish banks and 20% at bigger ones.

    http://www.economist.com/node/16274373

    Europe’s grim sovereign-bank loop

    The funding constraints for European banks are having an impact on asset prices and liquidity. Firstly, peripheral sovereigns are becoming increasingly dependent on their domestic banks to absorb new issuance while banks are increasingly dependent on sovereign support. The feedback loop has been highlighted a number of times in the past few months as a ratings downgrade of a sovereign is followed by a ratings downgrade of a number of domestic banks.

    http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/06/08/253966/europes-grim-sovereign-bank-loop/

  17. ToNYC says:

    “When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary….” to demand the interest that FRS each member banks accrue from debt increase and paid by customers for said debt against the public balance sheet to be credited to retire that same balance sheet debt. The incentive to print would have its own active suspension forcing it back on the track. The FED would devolve to a domestic GNP algorithm with plus 2-3% per annum currency growth. I’m thinking the bankster battles Jackson, Lincoln, Garfield, Kennedy fought…nothing is new, just the scoundrels have shown their natural hand.

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