For those of you who want to learn a little about the US Army’s position on torture, check out items #56 and #80.

Military law via Military Legal Resources

Instructions Gov Armies

Hat tip Invictus

Category: War/Defense, Weekend

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  1. Hawkeye says:

    82 and 84 are even better …

  2. Alex says:

    C’mon Barry,

    These old-fashioned standards don’t produce good results so they should be disregarded. Now of course, if any of our enemies take to torturing our troops, well I guess we know who has the right to complain in that case, right? Right. No one.

    Fighting without mercy or quarter has one ultimate outcome. Horrendous acts of atrocities on both combatants and civilians. I submit the conduct of the Germans and Russians during world war two, which accounted for about 80% of the civilian and military deaths during that war. Neither side had a problem with torture or other such results-getting measures, and both sides produced a lot of results!

    You know, I am surprised that the “Hey, whatever works!” defense was not used to great effect at Nuremberg. I guess it never occurred to even the Nazis to be that brazen about their lack of humanity.

  3. Hawkeye says:

    I guess I missed the part where it said anything about torture …

  4. HarleyHoward says:

    Hawkeye is correct. Please read items 82 through 85. Osama and Al Qaeda “are not entitled to treatment as “prisoners of war”. They are entitled to death.

  5. HarleyHoward says:

    After answering a few questions…

  6. HarleyHoward says:

    You are talking about 2 different things. Armies at war, subject to the Geneva convention and the murderous thugs described in items 82-85 of the 1898 instructions. Please don’t forget that these murderous thugs saw off the heads of innocents, slaughter 3,000 innocents and will continue to do so until eradicated.

  7. peter9810 says:

    Great job Barry; But did we cut off any heads on video?

  8. derick bulkley says:

    Articles 82 through 85 seem more descriptive of the current conflicts, that is, asymmetrical warfare against an ad hoc enemy force that merges into – and out – of the civilian population at will. Just sayin’.

  9. beaufou says:

    Once you let your professional army torture people to get information, where do you set the limit in other situations?
    In the light of what has recently happened in Afghanistan, preciously kept out of the msm (, I think you could argue that systemic torture will only result in an escalation of dehumanized and horrendous behavior.
    As for the an eye for an eye philosophy, the only religion still encouraging it is Islam, by lowering ourselves to the standards of Bin Laden and his consorts, we are handing him a much larger victory than he hoped for.
    As mad as Adolf Hitler may have been, condoning torture is the kind of behavior that led an entire nation into following his folly.
    Torture is immoral.

  10. Jack says:

    Lord Wellington: Belgium: Waterloo:


    What’s the point here?

    Sophisticated warfare? Oxymorons thrive. We hire our soldiers to kill people. How they get killed is someone else’s problem.

    Military doctrine is designed to protect the people of the United States of America. Ends justify means in almost every case.

  11. DrSandman says:

    Still on this “Torture” saw?

    Since the enemy here — AQ & minions — as a matter of principle violated #19, #20, #22, #23, #24, #25, #27. The stated goals of AQ — 1) to cause economic ruin for the US and her allies and 2) to enslave the conquered infidels under sharia law; violate #33. AQ violates Geneva Convention 3, Article 4 (all provisions); hence, they are not POWs. All AQ violate #62 & #63. AQ are in violation of 82 and 84.

    The rule of law — at the time of the conflict, and painstakenly explained by John Yoo so that even leftists could understand — was clear that non-violent, but coercive measures were permissible to extract intelligence from non-POW enemy combatants. Waterboarding — used 3 times against KSM — was legal. The law has since been changed, and the tactic has been stopped. Listening to Barney the Dinosaur is torture, but not “Torture.”

  12. beaufou says:

    We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the whole world, a nation of bullies and bastards who would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just Whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how history will judge us. No redeeming social value. Just whores. Get out of our way, or we’ll kill you. Who does vote for these dishonest shitheads? Who among us can be happy and proud of having all this innocent blood on our hands? Who are these swine? These flag-sucking half-wits who get fleeced and fooled by stupid little rich kids like George Bush? They are the same ones who wanted to have Muhammad Ali locked up for refusing to kill gooks. They speak for all that is cruel and stupid and vicious in the American character. They are the racists and hate mongers among us; they are the Ku Klux Klan. I piss down the throats of these Nazis. And I am too old to worry about whether they like it or not. Fuck them.
    -Hunter S. Thompson

  13. inessence says:

    Fuck that skank, Hunter S. Thompson…half cocked, drug induced crackpot.