Countries Routinely Default

Many people – including economists – are are confused about whether or not countries can default.

One of the world’s leading economic historians – Harvard professor Niall Ferguson – says:

The economists are ill qualified to analyse the current economic situation since they lack the overview of historians such as himself.

“There are economic professors in American universities who think they are masters of the universe, but they don’t have any historical knowledge. I have never believed that markets are self correcting. No historian could.”

“The idea that countries don’t go bust is a joke…

Ferguson notes:

Habsburg Spain defaulted on all or part of its debt 14 times between 1557 and 1696 and also succumbed to inflation due to a surfeit of New World silver. Prerevolutionary France was spending 62 percent of royal revenue on debt service by 1788. The Ottoman Empire went the same way: interest payments and amortization rose from 15 percent of the budget in 1860 to 50 percent in 1875. And don’t forget the last great English-speaking empire. By the interwar years, interest payments were consuming 44 percent of the British budget, making it intensely difficult to rearm in the face of a new German threat.

In fact, as the IMF’s Eduardo Borensztein and Ugo Panizza have shown, countries default all of the time.

Here are 3 charts based on IMF data courtesy of Calculated Risk:

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American states have also defaulted. As the Wall Street Journal noted in January:

Land values soared. States splurged on new programs. Then it all went bust, bringing down banks and state governments with them. This wasn’t America in 2011, it was America in 1841, when a now-forgotten depression pushed eight states and a desolate territory called Florida into the unthinkable: They defaulted on debts.

But America Can’t Default … Can It?

Mainstream American economists argue that – because we have world’s reserve currency – America can never default. Specifically, they say we can always print up more money to pay our creditors.

This may technically be true, although the dollar’s status as reserve currency is slipping away.

But with every new dollar we print, each existing dollar becomes worth less. And our creditor, China, has said that America has defaulted by printing too many dollars. For example:

A Chinese ratings house has accused the United States of defaulting on its massive debt, state media said Friday, a day after Beijing urged Washington to put its fiscal house in order.

“In our opinion, the United States has already been defaulting,” Guan Jianzhong, president of Dagong Global Credit Rating Co. Ltd., the only Chinese agency that gives sovereign ratings, was quoted by the Global Times saying.

Washington had already defaulted on its loans by allowing the dollar to weaken against other currencies – eroding the wealth of creditors including China, Guan said.

It is printing massive numbers of dollars which has caused the dollar to weaken against other currencies.

So while America may not technically default, it may default in practice, by printing so many dollars that creditors don’t want to lend, except for a very steep price.

How Did We Get Here?

How did Greece, Iceland and other countries get to the point of default?

BIS (the “Central Banks’ Central Bank”) said in 2008 that said that the massive bailouts are putting nations at risk.

Spiegel wrote in 2009:

Unlike 1929, the world’s major countries are flooding the economy with money to prevent deflation and, with it, a downward spiral of declining prices and income.

But no one knows whether this will suffice, or whether all the money being thrown at the aggressive virus fueling this crisis will only make it worse. Debts are being fought with debts, meaning that not only banks but entire countries could end up bankrupt. Perhaps the efforts to combat the current crisis are merely laying the foundations for the next crisis, which will be bigger still.

That is what is happening today.

Of course, if the governments had chosen the little guy instead of the giant banks, the consumer would have more resources and confidence, small businesses would be hiring, economies would stabilize, and governments would as well. By choosing the big banks over the little guy, the governments have doomed both.

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11 Responses to “Can Countries Default On Their Debts?”

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  2. vader says:

    The short answer is that the elites always get bailed out, until there are riots and blood. Hopefully elections will substitute, but I have my doubts.

  3. johnhaskell says:

    I wonder if Niall Ferguson gets tired of being wrong all the time.

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  8. Pacioli says:

    “the dollar’s status as reserve currency is slipping away…”

    Care to provide any evidence for this ridiculous claim?

  9. paulie46 says:

    Being the world’s reserve currency is more burden then benefit. Losing that status should have no effect on our financial health.

    The value of the dollar is based on how much we can produce and that’s a lot – roughly 25% of the total world output.

    The value of the dollar has little to do with how much we print – how would anyone even know how much total money exists? If it isn’t in the hands of people that would spend it it may as well not exist. The Quantity Theory of Money has no empirical support whatsoever. Its based on a kind of religious belief.

    If enough dollars exist in the hands of people that would spend it so that we are able to consume more than we can produce, then the purchasing power of the dollar will go down. We are a long way from that.

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