Peak corporate profits should lead, under normal circumstances, to more hiring and Capex spending. However, we are not seeing enough of either.

Will the corporate version of the Paradox of Thrift become a self-fulfilling prophesy?

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Source: BLS, FactSet, J.P. Morgan Asset Management.
Data reflect most recently available as of 6/30/11.

Source: JP Morgan funds

Category: Data Analysis, Earnings

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14 Responses to “Are We Nearing Peak Corporate Profits ?”

  1. ga082003 says:

    Chart: Swelling debt is really the problem world over

    http://capital3x.com/?p=591

  2. wally says:

    The problem is that this recovery is missing one leg… construction is still in a depression. That cuts out a certain amount of employment, consumer spending and materials demand that would normally be in place. If construction were at ‘normal’ levels, a lot of the apparent problems with the current weak recovery would be gone.

  3. Petey Wheatstraw says:

    Hell, I don’t think that corporate profits and/or cash are/is enough to offset corporate debt, in the first place (and thrift, in the form of austerity, for the Great American Consumer/Taxpayer, will certainly not restore corporate balance sheets or government revenue). We’re going to be cashed-out on.

    wally:

    It also has a crushed spine (manufacturing) and a coronary embolism (money hoarded and blocked from circulation).

  4. Lewis says:

    I don’t know, I’d like to see this reconciled this ratio with the trend of more globalized big caps before juimping to conclusions… Seems like a big contributing factor:
    http://www.bea.gov/scb/pdf/2011/03%20March/0311_profits.pdf

  5. ashpelham2 says:

    The real paradox is that modern efficiencies mean that less people are needed to do any given job, while more people are being born by the second. And while we have a large retiring segment of our own population, job creation will continue to fall well short of gains in those seeking work. I’m not even sure how we are treading water right now.

  6. TechnicalFundamental says:

    I think corps will buy back shares to pop-up EPS

  7. dead hobo says:

    BR asked:

    Will the corporate version of the Paradox of Thrift become a self-fulfilling prophesy?

    reply:
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    Over the long run – ABSOLUTELY NO!!!. Over the short run – maybe a little, but only under protest. The time frame depends on the patience of the common voter. Once people decide the sociopathic defectives currently in power in both government and finance have screwed around with people long enough, they will rise and take action. Smart crooks will stay under the radar in this revolution and plant seeds for the next financial / credit bubble, but the current crooks will be put into bankruptcy and public humiliation.

    There will be lots of default on sovereign debt. The first couple of times it will be shocking. The rest of the time it will be like pitchforks and torches outside the castle of Dr Frankenstein. Then comes the reconstruction.

    The nimble investor will profit from the volatility. This will not be an overnight process, but it is certain.

  8. DeDude says:

    With todays accounting rules there is no limit to how profitable a company can be.

  9. drewburn says:

    I work at a small manufacturing company in Michigan. Though we have grown very little in recent years, and are down quite a bit from the peak in 07-08, we are seeing a lot of interest in new business. Also, the truck traffic on I-94 between Chicago and Detroit if fairly brutal (heavy). Someone is doing biz; at least it suggests there will be no double dip IMHO.

  10. drewburn says:

    That’s not to say S&P profits haven’t peaked. Certainly in the financial sector they have. Probably in the consumer sector too. If the recovery holds, likely commodity inflation does too. I also suspect, from my little perch in mid-America that there are a lot of people who will not be lured back into the workforce without significant inducement. I’ve seen it; young people who refuse second shift work and prefer to stay with temp firms. It’s interesting. I’m not sure a “good” recovery will happen without “real” inflation. Employers may have to pay up. Oh, and I’m seeing job signs in fast food joints. There may be a lot of people out there who are more willing to muddle through than take a low paying job. Maybe the termination of unemployment benefits will change this……….maybe not……….

  11. There is no such thing as a ‘paradox of thrift’. Friedrich von Hayek successfully refuted the notion in 1928, in his brilliant dissection of the theory cooked up by Foster and Catchings, two in a long line of inflationist cranks that preceded Keynes and whom he got most of his misguided ideas from.
    It is precisely as Bastiat said: a good economist must not only consider what is ‘easily seen’ on the surface – he must also consider what is not immediately seen.
    Mind, I’m not disagreeing with the idea that corporate profits and profit margins are probably peaking here.My comment only refers to the alleged existence of a ‘paradox of thrift’.

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