American, British, Israeli and Iranian Warships Sailing Towards Confrontation

The U.S. and Israel are conducting their largest-ever joint warfare exercises near Iran. And see this.

England is sending its most advanced ship – the HMS Daring – to the region.

Only days after finishing its last wargames in the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has announced another set of wargames in February.

What Could Go Wrong?

Looking behind the headlines:

  • The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq.  See this and this.
  • The U.S. has been claiming for more than 30 years that Iran was on the verge of nuclear capability (and the U.S. apparently helped fund the Iranian nuclear program.)
  • The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950′s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.   Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says that the Bush administration (and especially Dick Cheney) helped to fund terrorist groups within Iran (see confirming articles here and here). And the New York Times, Washington Post and others are reporting, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey – who all said that the terrorists were going to get us if we didn’t jettison the liberties granted under the Bill of Rights – are now supporting terrorists in Iran.
  • The war against Iran has already begun. See this, this and this.

What could possibly go wrong?

Category: Think Tank, War/Defense

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12 Responses to “Tensions Between U.S., Israeli, British and Iranian Warships”

  1. Expat says:

    You are a terrorist, fascist, Al-qaeda loving communist for even questioning America’s intentions and honesty. Anyone who even thinks about contradicting or criticizing my comment is also a terrorist.

    In fact, I am a terrorist for implying that anyone could question American policy in the Persian Gulf. I will now go lock myself in a small closet with battery cables clamped to my genitals. I will let myself out after an indefinite period.

  2. Sechel says:

    The leadership of Iran has threatened to blow up Israel with Nuclear bomb. I believe such threats must be taken seriously. Another crazy leader in another country made claims the world didn’t take seriously back in the 30′s. The world must show that it’s capable and willing to commit to a strong show a force, even if that’s a last resort. History has shown that diplomacy without leverage is just begging.

  3. seth1066 says:

    I love these quotes, especially when the tired and too often used “neocons started” phrase is invoked:

    Madeleine Albright – February 1, 1998 “We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and the security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction.”

    Bill Clinton – February 17, 1998 “If Saddam rejects peace, and we have to use force, our purpose is clear: We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”

    Bill Clinton – February 17, 1998
    “We have to defend our future from these predators of the 21st Century…. They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein.”

    John Kerry – February 23, 1998
    “Saddam Hussein has already used these weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to try, by virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a threat to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to the potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat even to regions near but not exactly in the Middle East.”

    Nancy Pelosi – December 16, 1998 “Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology, which is a threat to countries in the region, and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”

    Dick Durbin – September 30, 1999
    “One of the most compelling threats we in this country face today is the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Threat assessments regularly warn us of the possibility that North Korea, Iran, Iraq, or some other nation may acquire or develop nuclear weapons.”

    Joe Biden – August 4, 2002 “[H]e does have the capacity, as all terrorist-related operations do, of smuggling stuff into the United States and doing something terrible. That is true. But there’s been no connection, hard connection made yet between he and al-Qaida or his willingness or effort to do that thus far. Doesn’t mean he won’t. This is a bad guy.”

    Bill Nelson – August 25, 2002
    “[M]y own personal view is, I think Saddam has chemical and biological weapons,
    and I expect that he is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. So at some point,
    we might have to act precipitously.”

    Al Gore – September 23, 2002
    “We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”

    Ted Kennedy – September 27, 2002 “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”

    Chuck Schumer – October 10, 2002
    “It is Hussein’s vigorous pursuit of biological, chemical and nuclear weapons, and his present and future potential support for terrorist acts and organizations that make him a danger to the people of the united states.”

    Nancy Pelosi – October 10, 2002
    “Yes, he has chemical weapons. Yes, he has biological weapons. He is trying to get nuclear weapons.”

    Jay Rockefeller – October 10, 2002 “There was unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years. We also should remember that we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction.”

    John Edwards – February 6, 2003
    “The question is whether we’re going to allow this man who’s been developing weapons of mass destruction continue to develop weapons of mass destruction, get nuclear capability and get to the place where — if we’re going to stop him if he invades a country around him — it’ll cost millions of lives as opposed to thousands of lives.”

  4. ilsm says:

    Got to keep selling F-15′s to the Saudi monarchs.

    BTW how come it is not too expensive to make 80 new F-15s for the Saudis when the F-35 at a trillion bucks was cheaper than doing new F-15′s?

    Click your heels and say: “There’s no place like…………..

  5. Patrick Neid says:

    ….”Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says many ideas have been proposed for provoking a war, including building boats that look like Iranian boats, and then putting Navy Seals on them to “start a shoot-up”. …

    Old Seymour at his best–predicting 10 of the last two recessions so to speak.

    When in doubt stick to Occam’s razor. The Iranian regime is collapsing. They know it and we know. The mullahs probably figure that ruling over smoking ruins is better than not ruling at all. Suicide by cop seems to be their approach. They know closing the straits is tantamount to the world having its aorta crushed. It cannot be allowed to happen.

    As to Russia and China’s opinion, you have to be kidding. Diplomatically we pretend to listen.

  6. lalaland says:

    Obama ain’t taking us into another war. If he loses the election all bets are off, but he’s been working for years on throttling the regime through sanctions instead of war. Iran knows perfectly well that if the Europeans commit to the sanctions (as they announced last week) and can convince Asia to wean itself from the Iranian teat the game is over and it will be ruined economically, so it’s threatening to shut Hormuz, launching rockets, etc. The US/NATO/Isreal stuff is just a counter-action to remind the Iranians who they fucking with, so to speak, since Iran barely has a Navy.

    The last thing we want is to refocus Iranians on the US; they’ve been happily focused on what a crappy leader Ahmedinejad is for a while and we don’t want to give him a nationalist platform to rally his people around. The only way we go to war (and it would only be air power) is if Iran launches a rocket at Israel, and even then.

  7. theexpertisin says:

    Seth1066

    Thank you for providing our progressive friends the opportunity to read quotes indicating that some of their political favorites can wear a tin hat just as well as anyone else.

  8. Francois says:

    “The leadership of Iran has threatened to blow up Israel with Nuclear bomb. I believe such threats must be taken seriously.”

    And I believe this is grade-AAA enzyme-free camel fazoo! Iranian leadership knows full well they would be obliterated from the surface of the Earth the same day they’d try such a brain dead move. Hell! The Arab League would be happy to push the nuke button for cryin’ out loud.

    Say what you want about the Iranian theocracy, call them every name you wish, if that float your boat and relieve your hormones, but they’re not stupid.

  9. gman says:

    Follow the money.

    1. Fortunes to be made defense contracting.
    2. Fortunes to be made in new oil contracts
    3. Politicians love a war a election time.
    4. The Israelis would like this as well.. a welcome distraction from their issues.

    Anything other than these factors is just window dressing on the matter.

  10. gman says:

    Democrats are also paid by lobbyist of above interests..very little difference on this topic..save Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul.

  11. realgm says:

    When you have guys like Romney, Santorum getting votes while being pro-war, it’s hard to imagine how world peace can be accomplished.

    Rick Perry is looking to send troops back into IRAQ.

    It’s time for the American people to wake up and vote Ron Paul who would stop having these stupid wars around the world and making every other countries an enemy of the states.

  12. jacobsk says:

    This is how it works:
    1. we buy Oil from Gulf countries
    2. then we create a issue in Gulf
    3. Gulf countries then use the money we gave to buy the latest military gadgets from us.
    4. Military Industrial complex is the biggest employer in US and we need that to go on….