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Lawmakers Who Upheld NSA Phone Spying Received Double the Defense Industry Cash
Source: Wired



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Category: Politics, War/Defense

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18 Responses to “Support NSA Spying, Get Campaign Finance Cash”

  1. taggartgalt says:

    The ongoing corporate purchase of the legislative branch has to end for true democracy to manifest itself. Needless to say, this initiative will not take root from within. Anyone have any ideas for how a grassroots referendum could be initiated? Something like a “Yes”/”No” vote that took place in Chile at the end of Pinochet’s reign.

  2. miamijim says:

    Can you imagine that???? Will wonders never cease?? Bunch of nose-picking hypocrites.

  3. Well, well, well . . . why am I not surprised.

    Thanks for posting this tidbit.

  4. Dogfish says:

    “Needless to say, this initiative will not take root from within”

    Not so sure about that. It has to come from somewhere, and it could come from within. I say that because if our trajectory continues then either change comes about voluntarily (from within) before the big crash (societal, not market, but there is a lot of overlap in this case), or involuntarily (and externally), afterwards. Self-preservation is a powerful dynamic, and at some point there has to be the realization that society is ultimately symbiotic and the exploitation from the top is suicidal in the long run (the ole “capitalism will destroy itself” is true, if left largely unchecked). Unfortunately our policy makers listen too much to the business leaders (thanks to lobbying and campaign financing), and follow their advice, instead of doing the opposite. Individual actors in a system will seek anti-competitive behavior, but the secret to capitalism working well is maximizing competition.

    IMO, this situation is almost like dealing with a rotten child. Sometimes you have to let them learn the hard way… ie, let the system crash.

    I feel like things are too corrupted, and a nascent police state already too far established, for a grassroots movement to have any success. Once a movement grows to a point where it has any influence, it either gets co-opted/assimilated (tea party), or marginalized (occupy). Either way, the power that spawned the movement gets nerfed.

  5. VennData says:

    Like this isn’t EVERY House vote.

    I can’t wait to see the Summer’s confirmation hearings data on this in the Senate. Everyone holding bonds will be apoplectic at Summers, the hard money types will be fuming at his cavalier disregard for their gold-standard nonsense but the best will be the goofballs trying to keep the narrative alive as Summers slices and dices them to smithereens “You should have bought when the market was low, you didn’t, you are not true value investors.”

    I will watch CNBC every time he’s up there ridiculing the Corkers and Rands.

    Yellen will make a great Secretary of Treasury for Hillary Clinton.

  6. Frilton Miedman says:

    I’m wondering, under the Patriot act, if there isn’t a contractor lobbying right now to get a bill passed allowing private contractors to enter the homes of anyone it deems a threat, search and seize whatever it finds as “evidence”?

    As with Hitler convincing the German public to allow him to bypass the Constitution and invoke martial law to fight Communism…We’ve allowed the government to do the exact same thing to fight Terrorism.

    We’ve also allowed the Constitution’s prohibition of bribery & treason to go ignored, our government is being governed.

    I hope I’m not anmnoying anyone posting this petition again, Get money out, asap sign the petition –

    • Iamthe50percent says:

      I signed. But I also noted that the signatures represent 0.1% of the electorate.

  7. Dogfish says:

    Ha, does Godwin’s Law apply if it’s an accurate comparison of political actions?

  8. Dogfish says:

    One of my favorite quotes that touches on this subject:

    “Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. ” — George Carlin

  9. wally says:

    They paid good money for those politicians and they expect to get their money’s worth.
    That’s just fine with the Supreme Court, too.

  10. Petey Wheatstraw says:

    We won’t change it, because we allowed it in the first place. The American electorate fucked itself over. One cannot unfuck something.

  11. Petey Wheatstraw says:

    Frilton Miedman
    July 30, 2013 at 9:00 pm

    “We’ve also allowed the Constitution’s prohibition of bribery & treason to go ignored, our government is being governed.”

    We have become Imperial Rome. All hail the Unitary Executive, the self-enriching and increasingly incompetent Congress, and the New Praetorian Guard.

    • Frilton Miedman says:

      I do agree, of course, but I will no longer simply accept this is how it’s going to be.

      If it means becoming the annoying uncle at thanksgiving, so be it…I imagine what went through the minds of German Citizens once it was apparent what Hitler’s intentions really were and they were powerless to change it.

  12. theexpertisin says:

    I recently finished reading a fascinating book penned by Henry Adams in the 1890′s entitled The War Of 1812. Y’all think that government bought and paid for by wealthy private interests is a post-JF Kennedy problem? Hardly. It was just as bad, if not worse back in the day. The federal government was more dysfunctional then than now, by a large measure. And the military leadership was largely a pathetic group of political hacks..

    BTW, Henry Adams was a brilliant historian – a genius for his time, and the grandson of John Quincy Adams.

  13. Herman Frank says:

    I will defend to the end “Your right to vote these honorable gentlemen to the legislative branch”. That said, I’ll vote with my conscience and will NOT vote for them.

    And for the rest, it’s all up to the last remaining vestiges of free and independent press that we know about these facts. The thinking reader will connect the dots and draw his/her conclusions.

    ” …… The horror! The horror! ……”

  14. rd says:

    Apparently TSA misconduct has risen 26% over the past three years:

    The US is a bizarre country where we refuse to check to see if somebody is certifiably insane or a violent felon before we sell them a gun, but we are willing to line up like sheep to go through security theater to see if our shoes are filled with explosives and let the checkers go through our luggage to see if there is something to stea. I believe these features of our travel system used to be one of the delineating differences between First and Third world countries. We don’t have to pay bribes to get through customs and immigrations yet although the government appears to be getting a head start on the workers by institutionalizing the bribery program by providing several different programs for frequent travelers that you pay money to belong to to get though immigration quicker. Presumably, they are also monitoring the cell phone chatter while you are standing in line.

    Ironically, most of the most intrusive parts of the security theater were put together under the party of “freedom”, the GOP although the donkeys leaped on board really quickly.

  15. zell says:

    Per Mc Luhan-”the medium is the message.”Money is an old medium. I’ concerned less about the NSA intake but more about the outflow. The medium is I.T.. Two guys Manley and Snowden can simply dump all these highly classified stuff- how much of it is intelligence- well that’s another story. I.T. sucks the stuff in and then blows it out.

  16. bear_in_mind says:

    Well hot damn, look at all those Tea Partiers!!!!!! Hoocoodanode?! Light, more light!