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Source: Economist


Category: Digital Media, Politics

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8 Responses to “Nelson Mandela & South African Inequality”

  1. RW says:

    Looks like SA inequality is a tad worse than USA inequality but not by much on a relative basis and they have a much better excuse regardless. Can’t add much to that except things are about to get even worse in SA given the collapse in commodities and their reliance on same but of course that only limns the real difference: Their inequality is more bound to fundamentals, inequalities in the USA are more bound to politics and the policy choices made thereby; e.g., It’s only called income redistribution when policy pushes it downward.

  2. rd says:

    It’s taken the US well over a century since the civil war to have blacks do significantly better than the blacks in South Africa. It will likely take a couple of generations of education to really turn the corner.

    To a certain extent, it is up to the whites. This type of inequality typically does not last if the underclass decide to be tired of it and revolt. Unfortunately, that usually doesn’t end up with a good outcome for anybody if there is not a stable middle class involved in the revolt (US 1776).

  3. ottnott says:

    • End of apartheid and sanctions greatly increases the value and income potential of South African assets, to the benefit of those who hold them.
    • White flight concentrates more assets in fewer remaining hands.
    • End of apartheid/sanctions does not reverse the damage done by apartheid any more effectively than the end of slavery in the US reversed the negative impact on the freed slaves and their descendants.
    • Trickle down is a myth there, too.
    • HIV/AIDS grew to have a devastating impact on the black population of South Africa (see rapid decline in life expectancy, for example: http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=30&c=sf&l=en )

  4. theexpertisin says:

    Interesting waltzes around the 800-pound gorilla in the room.

  5. beaufou says:

    Nelson Mandela only served one term as a President. His achievements are notable for bringing a peaceful end to the Apartheid and reforming the country’s legislative body. His political party, the ANC, which has been in power for 20 years has been a failure at securing equality and is a nest of corruption.

  6. pekoe says:

    The juxtaposition of two data sets invites the mind to compare just those two things, and in the process causally link them and in the process close the mind to other variables. It is a Roschach blot that can reveal much about the writer, and it can also be a technique to deliberately misdirect the credulous.

  7. BoKolis says:

    Take your pick, in varying order of cynicism, facetiousness and seriousness:
    - de Klerk didn’t like the chart trend and acted accordingly
    - not quite the social sefety net in SA that we have here in socialist America…some Marxist Mandela turned out to be
    - waaaay too many Black people in SA, and it’s all happening in the townships
    - like quite a few of my friends, many Blacks with the wherewithal to do so got the {hell} out of there as soon as they could

    Actually, I met quite a few- lets call them educated, intelligent upper-middle class- Blacks in SA. While they bemoan that so many Blacks are on wrong path- they are as keen as Whites (the Whites who live in the suburbs, not the ones who segregate themselves) to stay the {hell} away from them.

  8. Livermore Shimervore says:

    any state that has little or no investment in teaching their youth math and science, has little chance of seeing a multi-generational increase in income. If the state isn’t even teaching its youth a practical trade then the income stagnation is all but guaranteed. And where there is no chance of income growth above poverty levels, the conditions for crime become fertile. Where there is crime there is little if any outside investment. So goes the vicous circle.
    Let me guess? The white townships of SA have had multi-generation improvements in education? less crime? more industry? Too bad the blacks weren’t allowed to go to any of those well-funded schools. Weren’t allowed to own property there. Weren’t allowed even be called South Africans as the state stripped them of their very citizenship and forced them to relocate into phony republics that none but apparently the Israelis recognized.